Hi Bill,
This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading).
I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or
77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon
perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11
course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more
information/views.
The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury
Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute
News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for
the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France).
But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say
that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed,
the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation
(precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is
much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly
quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves
might have expected".
Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony
Bailes's performance.
regards
Martyn
PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being
out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same
instrument.........
--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,
"baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,
"Edward Martin" <e...@gamutstrings.com>
Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33
Hi Martyn,
Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is?
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: [2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin
<[3]e...@gamutstrings.com>
Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Edward,
Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe
for
over a year.
Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute
News
from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the
recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon -
the
instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most
suitable
(or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th
century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early
16th
century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded.
Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '......a lute the
size
of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the
performance of 17th century French lute music,......'
regards
Martyn
--- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1][4]e...@gamutstrings.com>
wrote:
From: Edward Martin <[2][5]e...@gamutstrings.com>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD
To: [3][6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50
Dear Ones,
For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French
baroque
lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee
label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains
works
of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic
lute
by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is
RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets.
This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large
one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence
making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing,
highly
recommended.
ed
Edward Martin
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