got this backtrace when entering VM.. i dunno enough too figure it out: Signalling: (error "mail-extr returned \"\" as name") signal(error ("mail-extr returned \"\" as name")) error("mail-extr returned \"\" as name") bbdb-annotate-message-sender("[EMAIL PROTECTED]" t t nil) bbdb/vm-update-record(nil) bbdb/vm-pop-up-bbdb-buffer(nil) bbdb/vm-update-record() funcall(bbdb/vm-update-record) mapcar(funcall (bbdb/vm-update-record)) run-hooks(vm-select-message-hook) vm-run-message-hook([[#<marker at 69553 in INBOX> #<marker at 69629 in INBOX> #<marker at 71176 in INBOX> #<marker at 71453 in INBOX> #<marker at 72385 in INBOX> #<marker at 72386 in INBOX>] [nil nil nil nil nil <<>> <-- From_ "71" #<buffer INBOX> nil nil nil nil nil nil] [t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil "^From:" nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil <v> t]] vm-select-message-hook) vm-preview-current-message() byte-code("@ !?B @ ! vm(nil nil) * call-interactively(vm) execute-extended-command(nil) call-interactively(execute-extended-command) anyone know? matt liggett '59 Austin Mini 850 (If only it ran...) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '75 Suzuki GT250 (Mutant Chainsaw) -= GAT =- '79 Honda Civic 1200 (Rust Never Sleeps) d-- -p+ c++(+++) l++ u++ e+ m* s--/ n+(---) h-- f- !g w++ t+ r(-) y++(*)