Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-13 Thread stephane ducasse
On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Herbert König wrote: Hello Cameron, CS> I see that another Windows user has reported a lock-up on this forum just CS> last month. Perhaps I will back up and see if 3.9 is a better starting CS> point. 3.8? Squeak should be a stable development System for man

Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-13 Thread stephane ducasse
On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:19 PM, Herbert König wrote: Hello Cameron, CS> I see that another Windows user has reported a lock-up on this forum just CS> last month. Perhaps I will back up and see if 3.9 is a better starting CS> point. 3.8? Squeak should be a stable development System for man

RE: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-10 Thread Cameron Sanders
> All this aside, the youngest entry in the changes file might show your last action (if it wasn't a click) so this might give us a clue. Good point. I will keep that in mind. > Have you ever tried on another computer? IMHO this is not Squeak but Squeak + something else in your System. I suspe

[Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-10 Thread Cameron Sanders
I thought the Pharo base image (3.10 with a few fonts & Balloon3d added) running on Windows was looking pretty stable. But after an hour of editing code --an hour since the last save-Squeak has abandoned me. It is unresponsive. Trying both control and alt in combination with '.', 'l' (lower case

Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-10 Thread Herbert König
Hello Cameron, CS> I see that another Windows user has reported a lock-up on this forum just CS> last month. Perhaps I will back up and see if 3.9 is a better starting CS> point. 3.8? Squeak should be a stable development System for many people. For historical reasons I use 3.8 and I'm using it

Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-10 Thread Chris Cunningham
It is worth noting that Pharo is currently under heavy development. The Pharo team is busy ripping out parts of Squeak they don't want in the base image and adding other parts that they do want. From all reports it is very nice to work in, but it is not a stable release at this point. If you wan

RE: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-09 Thread Cameron Sanders
It was the code for the laser game tutorial that I was entering. And so far everything (using Pharo 3.10) was behaving exactly as expected. (Except that the refactoring menu items were available and used.) I didn't define stable. However, it seems like a development environment should wrap my 'do

Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-09 Thread David Mitchell
Since this is the beginners list, thought you might like some pointers. I googles "Squeak recover changes" First, the wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2168 FYI: You are in good company, here is an email from Ralph Johnson (of the Gang of Four) to Mark Guzdial (who would go on to write two grea

Re: [Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-09 Thread David Mitchell
Squeak the development environment does not protect a developer from doing something dangerous. It probably won't ever, but maybe a file based Smalltalk like GNU does. Smalltalk become: nil is but one of a many ways to destroy your image (not saying that's what you did, just something dangerous t

[Newbies] squeak locks up on windows / help me debug it...

2009-01-09 Thread Cameron Sanders
I thought the Pharo base image (3.10 with a few fonts & Balloon3d added) running on Windows was looking pretty stable (compared to other images). But after an hour of editing code on a Vista machine --an hour since the last save-Squeak has abandoned me. It is unresponsive. Trying both control and a