I agree with what Ray said in his last email, however, I would like to
add that it seems to me you are further distancing the "core" devs from
the community. Modules will still have to coordinate and communicate
with each other, decisions still need to be made regarding releases and
overall direction of design, and issues that are relevant to more than
one aspect of blender will still need to be resolved. But, rather than
doing this out in the open and allowing the community to participate,
you've decided to remove open meetings and instead take everything
behind closed doors. I know that the weekly Monday dev meetings have
been attended less and less, in part because the Tuesday Talks replaced
some of what they were about, and so their relevance has been
diminished, but they are still important. People like to know the
backstory as well as the final decision, they like to be able to see why
a decision was made, what was considered, what was driving the decision,
etc., and to be able to chime in if they have something relevant to add
to the discussion or raise an issue that they feel should be discussed
at the meeting, but the new format of announcing what has already
happened completely eliminates this and bars the community from
potentially adding their voice. Not everyone participated actively in
the meetings, but I'm sure I'm not alone in scrolling back through chat
to see exactly what happened and what led to decisions being made.
Iirc, when the Tuesday Talks were first introduced, it was requested
that there be a way to watch the actual meetings; unfortunately, nothing
ever came of that request.
In case I haven't made myself abundantly clear ;)
I feel that open meetings are an essential part of including the
community and should not be abandoned.
I won't argue that the current format may be less than ideal and need
some changes, but open meetings have been a staple of Blender
development from the beginning and I don't think they should be
discontinued, but rather, improved.
--Ryan
On 2021-02-09 06:00 AM, bf-committers-requ...@blender.org wrote:
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:33:28 +0100
From: Dalai Felinto <da...@blender.org>
To: bf-blender developers <bf-committers@blender.org>
Subject: [Bf-committers] No Monday or Tuesday meetings for the time
being
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Hi,
The Monday (developers) and the Tuesday (modules) meetings are currently on
hold. The Monday one has very little quorum and is rarely useful.
The Tuesday talks (module meetings) are quite a joy actually and I will
miss talking to the modules owners 1:1. But they have always being more
like a healthy check then a permanent solution. What we need instead is to
make sure the modules are properly structured and can operate autonomously.
But this is a separate topic.
I have a new idea on how to do the weekly communication of the ongoing
module and projects:
* We keep the weekly online page in devtalk for the weekly notes [1].
* Developers keep adding their weekly reports there.
* Everyone adds relevant announcements there
* [new] Modules and projects then add their notes there as well,
asynchronously.
* [new] At the end of Mondays I do a final pass in the page and post it
here.
[1] - https://devtalk.blender.org/t/15-february-2021-upcoming/17475.
Any feedback is welcome.
Best regards,
-Dalai-
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