Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Victoria Risk
> > What are the underlying reasons for wanting to make this change? Hi Lars, As you know, ISC is a non-profit. Our funding comes from software support contracts and small donations from users. We like this model because our funding is aligned with what we see as doing our core job. As peop

RE: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread John W. Blue
>This change will not automatically ensure that commercial vendors modifying >BIND will support ISC, but it will at least communicate that this would be >appropriate. This. ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscri

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I disagree with this but who am I to stand in the way of the goddam almighty dollar, you're going to do it anyway regardless of what anyone says, this comment thing is just window dressing. I would request that you consider doing one thing before kicking all the BSD distributions in the teeth

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:10:16AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > I disagree with this but who am I to stand in the way of the goddam > almighty dollar, you're going to do it anyway regardless of what anyone > says, this comment thing is just window dressing. > > I would request that you consi

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread bert hubert
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 08:57:02PM +, P Vixie wrote: > This is long overdue. I'm all for it. Vixie For what it is worth, as open source fellow travellers we discussed this earlier both with Vicky and Paul, and we are in strong agreement with this measure to increase the sustainability of great

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/14/2016 10:45 AM, Evan Hunt wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 10:10:16AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: I disagree with this but who am I to stand in the way of the goddam almighty dollar, you're going to do it anyway regardless of what anyone says, this comment thing is just window dressing

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread pgndev
> If that doesn't explain it, then you are just looking to > argue license religion and justify a choice you already made, Or, we're just left scratching our heads wondering what the ranting is about. Seems like there are lots on this list who practice no such religion, and actually find this one

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi Evan On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 05:45:59PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: > May I ask you to expand on why the MPL is a problem? So far the distros > have all been supportive. The BSD camp dislikes copyleft because copyleft prevents exactly what we're trying to stop: the ability to ship a closed-source

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Keith Christian
(Sorry if this ends up on the list twice, did not send to "bind-users" the first time.) Is there any reason not to use a GPL license, which requires that changes be shared back with the user community? Keith ___ Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailma

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
It seems some on the list are short on philosophy? Well here is the actual philosophy and I'll apologize in advance that it won't fit in a SMS message for those people unable to have deep thoughts more complex than a SMS message. Hopefully you are not one of them. You are asking about GPL but

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:38:14PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > In reality, there IS no "middle ground" If you truly believe a > piece of software SHOULD be freely licensed, then that includes the > idea that commercial entities can use it as they see fit. Thank you for the explanation. As

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:06:55PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: > On a personal level, I actually agree with you, and I find the idea of > relicensing somewhat regrettable. It's not that I'm against the GPL, I > think software creators should be able to share their work on whatever > terms they like, b

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:06:55PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:38:14PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > In reality, there IS no "middle ground" If you truly believe a > > piece of software SHOULD be freely licensed, then that includes the > > idea that commercial entiti

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/14/2016 1:42 PM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:06:55PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:38:14PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: In reality, there IS no "middle ground" If you truly believe a piece of software SHOULD be freely licensed, then that in

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/14/2016 11:47 AM, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: Hi Evan On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 05:45:59PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: May I ask you to expand on why the MPL is a problem? So far the distros have all been supportive. The BSD camp dislikes copyleft because copyleft prevents exactly what we're tr

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Noel Butler
On 15/06/2016 05:38, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It seems some on the list are short on philosophy? Well here is the actual philosophy and I'll apologize in advance that it won't fit in a SMS message for those people unable to have deep thoughts more complex than a SMS message. Hopefully you are

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/14/2016 4:28 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On 15/06/2016 05:38, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It seems some on the list are short on philosophy? Well here is the actual philosophy and I'll apologize in advance that it won't fit in a SMS message for those people unable to have deep thoughts more compl

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread /dev/rob0
On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 08:06:55PM +, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 12:38:14PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > In reality, there IS no "middle ground" If you truly believe a > > piece of software SHOULD be freely licensed, then that includes > > the idea that commercial entiti

Re: Questions on bind-chroot

2016-06-14 Thread /dev/rob0
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 04:04:06PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > Harshith Mulky wrote: > > > Is it necessary for named.conf in the chroot path and /etc path > > to be same > > If they aren't the same, at some point in the future you or your > colleagues are going to get very confused about which

Re: ISC considering a change to the BIND open source license

2016-06-14 Thread Noel Butler
On 15/06/2016 10:29, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On 6/14/2016 4:28 PM, Noel Butler wrote: On 15/06/2016 05:38, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It seems some on the list are short on philosophy? Well here is the actual philosophy and I'll apologize in advance that it won't fit in a SMS message for those pe