Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-10-31 Thread Kevin Darcy
On 10/31/2011 6:58 AM, Kristen Eisenberg wrote: Ben Croswell writes: > In that case technically you are creating undelegated subdomains for each > router. > The dot is a delimiter and can't be part of a hostname. > I was thinking you are wrong. Period is somewhat permitted in a hostname. Pe

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-10-31 Thread Ben Croswell
Actually a . is not part of a host name. It separates all the parts of FQDN. If you put one in a host name you have an undelegated subdomain as I stated before. -Ben Croswell On Oct 31, 2011 6:59 AM, "Kristen Eisenberg" wrote: > Ben Croswell writes: > > > In that case technically you are creatin

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-02-04 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 11:26:08AM -0500, John Wobus wrote: > So 10.14.22.11 is a legal hostname, right? > > We had a recent experience where our DNS administration > system allowed someone to insert in a CNAME record that > resembled this: > > www.example.com. CNAME 10.14.22.11. > > A fascinati

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-02-04 Thread John Wobus
So 10.14.22.11 is a legal hostname, right? We had a recent experience where our DNS administration system allowed someone to insert in a CNAME record that resembled this: www.example.com. CNAME 10.14.22.11. A fascinating thing about this is that my computer/browser could take me to www.example.

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-02-04 Thread John Wobus
To add to the story, I added a rule to our DNS administration system that we'll only allow hostnames that include at least one alphabetic. John On Feb 4, 2011, at 11:26 AM, John Wobus wrote: So 10.14.22.11 is a legal hostname, right? We had a recent experience where our DNS administration sys

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-02-01 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 09:40:51AM +0800, p...@mail.nsbeta.info wrote: > Joseph S D Yao writes: > > > > > The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names. They must > > start with a letter, end with a letter or digit, and have as interior > > characters only letters, digits, and hyphen.

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread Ben Croswell
The rfc you quote clearly states when used as a delimiter of a domain as I stated. -Ben Croswell On Jan 31, 2011 8:58 PM, wrote: > Ben Croswell writes: > >> In that case technically you are creating undelegated subdomains for each >> router. >> The dot is a delimiter and can't be part of a hostna

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Vyto Grigaliunas wrote: > Although we're moving away from it, we found it useful for naming router > interfaces, i.e. te1-2.routername.company.com, without having to create a > separate sub-domain for each router. > > I thought at some point periods were allowed in hostnames, and t

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread pyh
Ben Croswell writes: In that case technically you are creating undelegated subdomains for each router. The dot is a delimiter and can't be part of a hostname. I was thinking you are wrong. Period is somewhat permitted in a hostname. From RFC 952 A "name" (Net, Host, Gateway, or Do

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread Kevin Darcy
without escaping them. Thanks... Vyto -Original Message- From: bind-users-bounces+vyto=fnal@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind- users-bounces+vyto=fnal@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Margolin Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:14 PM To: comp-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org Subject: Re:

Re: RE: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread Ben Croswell
In that case technically you are creating undelegated subdomains for each router. The dot is a delimiter and can't be part of a hostname. -Ben Croswell On Jan 31, 2011 11:19 AM, "Vyto Grigaliunas" wrote: ___ bind-users mailing list bind-users@lists.isc.

RE: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-31 Thread Vyto Grigaliunas
hanks... Vyto > -Original Message- > From: bind-users-bounces+vyto=fnal@lists.isc.org [mailto:bind- > users-bounces+vyto=fnal@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Barry Margolin > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:14 PM > To: comp-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org > Subject: Re: wha

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread Chris Buxton
On Jan 30, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Vytautas Grigaliunas wrote: > What is the status of "dotted" hostnames - i.e. a period in the hostname > portion of a domain name ? > > At one point they were allowed, I believe ? What is the latest official RFC ? Periods, or dots, act as dividers in a domain name,

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Vytautas Grigaliunas wrote: > What is the status of "dotted" hostnames - i.e. a period in the hostname > portion of a domain name ? > > At one point they were allowed, I believe ? What is the latest official RFC ? I don't think they've every been allowed. Why would you need to d

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread Vytautas Grigaliunas
pm Subject: Re: what's a valid domain name? To: comp-protocols-dns-b...@isc.org > In article , > Chris Buxton wrote: > > > Correct, the requirement to start with a letter was removed ages ago. > > Witness 3com.com, which may have been the first. > > Yes,

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , Chris Buxton wrote: > Correct, the requirement to start with a letter was removed ages ago. > Witness 3com.com, which may have been the first. Yes, I'm pretty sure they were the impetus for the change, paving the way for 1-800-FLOWERS.COM years later. -- Barry Margolin, bar...@a

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread Chris Buxton
Correct, the requirement to start with a letter was removed ages ago. Witness 3com.com, which may have been the first. Chris Buxton BlueCat Networks On 1/29/11, p...@mail.nsbeta.info wrote: > Joseph S D Yao writes: > >> >> The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names. They must >> s

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-30 Thread pyh
From RFC 1123 One aspect of host name syntax is hereby changed: the restriction on the first character is relaxed to allow either a letter or a digit. Host software MUST support this more liberal syntax. p...@mail.nsbeta.info writes: Joseph S D Yao writes:

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-29 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20110130013241.dff772d...@mail.nsbeta.info>, p...@mail.nsbeta.info wri tes: > Mark Andrews writes: > > > > Remember domain names are not the same things as hostnames. Hostnames > > are limited to letter digit hyphen (LDH). Other domain names are not > > limited and things last SRV

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-29 Thread pyh
Joseph S D Yao writes: The labels must follow the rules for ARPANET host names. They must start with a letter, end with a letter or digit, and have as interior characters only letters, digits, and hyphen. There are also some restrictions on the length. Labels must be 63 characters or less.

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-29 Thread pyh
Mark Andrews writes: Remember domain names are not the same things as hostnames. Hostnames are limited to letter digit hyphen (LDH). Other domain names are not limited and things last SRV records deliberately use labels that are not legal in hostnames to prevent collisions of the two namespace

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-29 Thread Joseph S D Yao
As noted before, RFC 1035 set some specifications. But there were a number of clarifications and changes, notably RFC 1123 and RFC 2181. So, Pyh, your quote is not quite correct today. The first part never was - it only refers to second-level domains. The second part is correct for hostnames on

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-29 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <20110129053051.bad452d...@mail.nsbeta.info>, p...@mail.nsbeta.info w rites: > Barry Margolin writes: > > > In article , > > p...@mail.nsbeta.info wrote: > > > >> I googled and found this: > > > > It's on the Internet, so it must be true. :) > > > >> > >> * A domain name

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-28 Thread pyh
Barry Margolin writes: In article , p...@mail.nsbeta.info wrote: I googled and found this: It's on the Internet, so it must be true. :) * A domain name can be up to 63 characters long plus a dot plus the characters used to identify the top-level domain (i.e "com", "info", "biz",

Re: what's a valid domain name?

2011-01-28 Thread Barry Margolin
In article , p...@mail.nsbeta.info wrote: > I googled and found this: It's on the Internet, so it must be true. :) > > * A domain name can be up to 63 characters long plus a dot plus the > characters used to identify the top-level domain (i.e "com", "info", "biz", > etc. > * Valid