On May 10, 2013, at 01.18, Dave Warren da...@hireahit.com wrote:
On 2013-05-08 11:13, btb wrote:
it's also mildly humorous that they used to quite religiously endorse
.local, in some documents even categorizing use of the same domain name on
an internal and external network as a security
On 2013-05-10 16:39, b...@bitrate.net wrote:
On May 10, 2013, at 01.18, Dave Warren da...@hireahit.com wrote:
On 2013-05-08 11:13, btb wrote:
it's also mildly humorous that they used to quite religiously endorse .local, in some
documents even categorizing use of the same domain name on an
Michael McNally mcna...@isc.org wrote:
On 5/8/13 9:33 AM, Jeremy P wrote:
However, there are times where registering a real domain just isn't
practical. For example, I'm not going to ask all of the students in my
courses to go out and register a .com for the semester.
The flip side of
On 5/8/13 9:33 AM, Jeremy P wrote:
However, there are times where registering a real domain just isn't
practical. For example, I'm not going to ask all of the students in my
courses to go out and register a .com for the semester.
Michael McNally mcna...@isc.org wrote:
The flip side of
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:
On 09.05.13 10:21, Tony Finch wrote:
Right. Give each student a subdomain of some existing domain, even if the
subdomains aren't publicly delegated.
yes, so they will start using it in their job and home.
They shouldn't do that if the teacher
-Original Message-
From: Tony Finch d...@dotat.at
Date: Thursday, May 9, 2013 11:01 AM
To: Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk
Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: architecture question
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:
On 09.05.13 10:21
On 09.05.13 10:21, Tony Finch wrote:
Right. Give each student a subdomain of some existing domain, even if the
subdomains aren't publicly delegated.
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:
yes, so they will start using it in their job and home.
On 09.05.13 16:01, Tony Finch wrote:
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:
On 09.05.13 10:21, Tony Finch wrote:
Right. Give each student a subdomain of some existing domain, even
if the subdomains aren't publicly delegated.
Matus UHLAR - fantomas uh...@fantomas.sk wrote:
yes, so they will start using it in
I certainly didn't intend to spark off such a firestorm with my original
question. I have learned a lot from the debate though.
On the question of what to use with students, it is a fine thing to say we
should only do things the way they are done in real life so students don't
learn bad habits,
From: Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com
In my experience the students who get it and comprehend the
concepts are able to heed the warnings of in real life, we would do
this a little different. The students who don't get it are gonna
misconfigure regardless of what TLD I tell them to use in the
Too often its the corner office friend!
You are right, those other people may get hired, but not by people who know
how to interview. I ran an IT department for 10 years prior to teaching
and my goals of hiring were always first, don't hire jerks. Second, hire
people who know their stuff inside
On 2013-05-09 11:27, Jeremy P wrote:
I certainly didn't intend to spark off such a firestorm with my
original question. I have learned a lot from the debate though.
On the question of what to use with students, it is a fine thing to
say we should only do things the way they are done in real
On 2013-05-08 11:13, btb wrote:
it's also mildly humorous that they used to quite religiously endorse
.local, in some documents even categorizing use of the same domain
name on an internal and external network as a security risk.
Keep in mind that this was before ubiquitous, always-on TCP/IP
I am building a lab environment where there are several separate domains,
all of them ending in .local
I've setup a server for the .local TLD, but I'm undecided (or perhaps
ignorant) as to the best way to have the individual domains (domain1.local,
domain2.local, etc) refer to the local zone on
Enable recursion on your .local TLD server and point the domain1.local
server to that server for DNS. Recursion will handle any internet
queries and as .local is authoritative it will provide responses when
queried.
On 8 May 2013 15:56, Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com wrote:
I am building a lab
Don't forget that Bonjour actually uses .local and will be very sour if
it is sued for other purposes, I have tried.
On 08/05/13 16:56, Jeremy P wrote:
I am building a lab environment where there are several separate
domains, all of them ending in .local
I've setup a server for the .local
On May 8, 2013, at 10.56, Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com wrote:
I am building a lab environment where there are several separate domains, all
of them ending in .local
on a side note, i would strongly discourage you from using .local in dns.
.local is a pseudo tld, reserved for use with mdns.
Understood. This is an isolated lab full of openBSD boxes, so I'm not too
worried about it. The lab will be torn down in a month or two.
I will switch to something more out there in the future. I take it that
.lan is safe?
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:03 AM, b...@bitrate.net wrote:
On May 8,
From: b...@bitrate.net
on a side note, i would strongly discourage you from using .local in
dns. .local is a pseudo tld, reserved for use with mdns.
This just came up with a site I support. Thanks to this list and the
DNS-OARC list, I know better. Hopefully, I can redirect them to use
On 8 May 2013 18:09, wbr...@e1b.org wrote:
This just came up with a site I support. Thanks to this list and the
DNS-OARC list, I know better. Hopefully, I can redirect them to use
something below their real domain for Active Directory such as
ad.example.org.
FWIW: MS now advises not to use
You could ask your institution for a subdomain to be reserved from their domain?
.lan isn't AFAIK reserved for anything or in the process of being
considered by ICANN.
.test is reserved and will never be advertised on the internet (as are
.example, .invalid and .localhost)
On 8 May 2013 18:33,
-Original Message-
From: Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 1:33 PM
To: Steven Carr sjc...@gmail.com
Cc: bind-users bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: architecture question
I understand letter of the law, spirit of the law and playing it safe to
avoid headaches
You could also make a sub domain of your main domain and use that for
all students, unless of course the purpose is to teach how to set this up.
slight ironyI have used .home my self, now I would take something that
nobody would ever think of using in the real world, in old days I did
consider
On 2013.05.08 13.20, Steven Carr wrote:
On 8 May 2013 18:09, wbr...@e1b.org wrote:
This just came up with a site I support. Thanks to this list and the
DNS-OARC list, I know better. Hopefully, I can redirect them to use
something below their real domain for Active Directory such as
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
I personally use localdomain. I'm not sure how safe it is, but I use
it at home so it probably doesn't matter.
On 05/08/2013 01:47 PM, Steven Carr wrote:
You could ask your institution for a subdomain to be reserved from
their domain?
.lan isn't
On 2013.05.08 13.33, Jeremy P wrote:
I understand letter of the law, spirit of the law and playing it safe to
avoid headaches.
However, there are times where registering a real domain just isn't
practical. For example, I'm not going to ask all of the students in my
courses to go out and
Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com wrote:
I will switch to something more out there in the future. I take it that
.lan is safe?
Don't use .lan either - it is very popular with malware and is likely to
get you blacklisted. Use a real domain.
Tony.
--
f.anthony.n.finch d...@dotat.at
Years ago we decided to create a private TLD of .campus
What we did was make all our caching nameservers also be authoritative for this
private TLD. And, this worksexcept for delegated subdomains, which are
handled through using forwarding zones.
later when the needed to be able to get
It would be a waste of money as their systems never leave the local
network, except through a NAT connection.
Godaddy is selling .coms for $0.99 right now (US/Canada). In the spirit of
an educational setting, it might be a viable exercise for students to
understand how easy and affordable it
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Reed cronst...@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, May 8, 2013 4:38 PM
To: Jeremy P jpcra...@gmail.com
Cc: bind-users bind-users@lists.isc.org
Subject: Re: architecture question
It would be a waste of money as their systems never leave the local
network, except
On 2013-05-08 13:50, Mike Hoskins (michoski) wrote:
The spirit of education is often saving money based on a former life as a
lab tech. While cheap, the proposal to just go register a real one!
seems good for $registrar, but potentially bad for the Internet (will we
end up with a bunch of
On 5/8/13 9:33 AM, Jeremy P wrote:
However, there are times where registering a real domain just isn't
practical. For example, I'm not going to ask all of the students in my
courses to go out and register a .com for the semester. It would be a
waste of money as their systems never leave the
On 2013-05-08 20:58, Michael McNally wrote:
The flip side of this is that whatever you teach them they are going
to take out into the wider world with them. If you teach them to use
.local or .lan, some of them (at least) are going to continue using
.local or .lan long after your class is over,
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