Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
You deeply disappoint me, Mike. Not only do you misrepresent many cogent, well thought out positions from a great number of people who have published and posted a number of articles detailing an explaining in-depth technical concerns…you also seem to fancy yourself more capable of reading into

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Ken Friece via bitcoin-dev
Let's start with the definition of a conflict of interest before we go any further: A *conflict of interest* (COI) is a situation in which a person or organization is involved in multiple interests (financial, emotional, or otherwise), one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation of the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Ken Friece via bitcoin-dev
Being an early hub provider would be an obvious place to start capitalizing on lightning. Early lightning adopters would be in the best position to do this. Long term, Bitcoin needs to scale the blockchain in a reasonable manner and implement things like lightning. Limiting the blocksize is a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread muyuubyou via bitcoin-dev
If someone is surprised with Mike Hearn's antics, I recommend taking a few minutes to watch this video from 2 months ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB9goUDBAR0 Mike Hearn's Worst Case XT Fork Scenario: Checkpoints, Ignore Longest Chain. ___

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
You may be misremembering; nobody has ever disagreed that you can fork a source code repository. Perhaps you are thinking instead about the concerns regarding asymmetric rule incompatibilities? I am not misremembering anything. Some people have claimed for years that Bitcoin development is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Micha Bailey via bitcoin-dev
If this proposal has less than half of the total hashpower (or is it even less than 75%? Haven't quite thought it through completely) supporting it, I can see the following happening if the sum of supporters and people who want to screw the supporters out of money is at least 75%: Non-supporters

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread muyuubyou via bitcoin-dev
I posted this to /r/BitcoinMarkets but I thought I might post it here as well. --- Currently 0 mined blocks have voted for XT. If it ever gets close to even 50%, many things can happen that would reshape the game completely. For instance: - Core could start boycotting XT by not relying to them

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Michael Naber via bitcoin-dev
Bitcoin has no elections; it has no courts. If not through attempting a hard-fork, how should we properly resolve irreconcilable disagreements? On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Please take the lightning 101 discussion

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Ken Friece via bitcoin-dev
What are you so afraid of, Eric? If Mike's fork is successful, consensus is reached around larger blocks. If it is rejected, the status quo will remain for now. Network consensus, NOT CORE DEVELOPER CONSENSUS, is the only thing that matters, and those that go against network consensus will be

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Ken Friece via bitcoin-dev
I know full well who works for Blockstream and I know you're not one of those folks. The Blockstream core devs are very vocal against a reasonable blocksize increase (17% growth per year in Pieter's BIP is not what I consider reasonable because it doesn't come close to keeping with technological

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
I would like very much to know how it is that we're supposed to be making money off of lightning, and therefore how it represents a conflict of interest. Apparently there is tons of money to be made in releasing open-source protocols! I would hate to miss out on that. We are working on lightning

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread Milly Bitcoin via bitcoin-dev
Baseless accusations also have no place on this mailing list. They are unprofessional, and poisonous to the consensus-building process we all seek to engage in. I didn't see any baseless accusations in the message. I saw a discussion of possible conflicts of interest. Your reply seems to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-15 Thread s7r via bitcoin-dev
Fair enough, this is what open source is all about. Good things sometimes come out of controversial actions. I briefly read the manifesto, saw the migration plan, it is not that greedy and in theory it is possible to migrate safely with no (big) incidents. What seams a little bit unfair is that