Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 16 August 2015 17:03:35 GMT-07:00, Cameron Garnham via bitcoin-dev wrote: >There are a few ways: here is my favorite (for the moment). > >1. Spam the 8mb blocks with 1 Satoshi outputs to the brainwallet >'BitcoinXT' Even more direct: use coin

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread jl2012 via bitcoin-dev
Thanks to mining centralization, such attempts won't be successful. Asking mining pools to mine spoofing blocks in their real name is even harder than asking them to run the real BitcoinXT Node count is always manipulable, there is nothing new. People running this will only be interpreted as X

[bitcoin-dev] Annoucing Not-BitcoinXT

2015-08-16 Thread Julie via bitcoin-dev
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Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Patrick Strateman via bitcoin-dev
The first question to answer here is simple: What value would there be in requiring a minimum block size? I see no value. On 08/16/2015 05:30 PM, Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev wrote: > "minimum" an interesting topic. > > - Traffic levels may not produce a minimum size block > - Miners can always c

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Jeff Garzik via bitcoin-dev
"minimum" an interesting topic. - Traffic levels may not produce a minimum size block - Miners can always collude to produce a lowered maximum block size, a sort of minimum maximum On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Cameron Garnham via bitcoin-dev
Since it was a game theory analysis. I will not address your other comments. On 17/8/2015 7:22 AM, Andrew LeCody wrote: >> 4. Setup a fork of Bitcoin XT that allows people to easily make a > transaction only on the XT fork (while leaving the original BTC coins > untouched). > > I doubt this is e

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew LeCody via bitcoin-dev
Cam, your scenario makes no sense. > 1. Spoil the ballot. Have Bitcoin Core propagate the Bitcoin XT version string. > 2. Encourage all miners to false vote for the Bitcoin XT fork. This would obliterate any confidence in Bitcoin Core. I seriously doubt anyone would actually be ok with a pull req

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Cameron Garnham via bitcoin-dev
I think that it is important to note that Bitcoin XT faces a natural uphill battle. Since it is possible to setup atomic inter-fork coin trades. I do not see how Bitcoin XT could possibly win if Satoshi decides to sell 1 XTBTC for BTC everyday for the first 100 days after the fork. In many wa

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
[cross-posted to libbitcoin] I applaud this effort not for the merits of the hard fork but on the effects of the code fork. We have been witnessing the self-destruction of Bitcoin's central authority. This is a necessary outcome. Understandably, many are concerned that if consensus settles on a l

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew LeCody via bitcoin-dev
> PS: I consider this attempt at takeover about as foul as it gets. The equivalent of repeating a referendum until a yes is obtained: the reasonable reaction to this is actively blocking said "referendum". There was a fair play alternative which is voting through coinbase scriptSig like plain 8MBer

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
Hi Adam, I welcomed XT for its declared focus on usability with current means. I think there is also more room for non-consenus relevant P2P protocol flavors than a single code base can accommodate. XT is also as Jeff just tweeted a relief valve. It became important, that Bitcoin is able to evol

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
Hi Tamas Do you find BIP 101, BIP 102, BIP 103 and the flexcap proposal deserving of equal consideration? Just curious because of your post. Will you be interested to participate in the BIP review process and perhaps attend the workshop on Bitcoin scaling announced here recently? Adam On 16 Au

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Mark Friedenbach via bitcoin-dev
Levin, it is a complicated issue for which there isn't an easy answer. Part of the issue is that "block size" doesn't actually measure resource usage very reliably. It is possible to support a much higher volume of typical usage transactions than transactions specifically constructed to cause DoS i

[bitcoin-dev] Minimum Block Size

2015-08-16 Thread Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev
Hey everyone, as with the current "max block size" debate I was wondering: Is anyone here in favor of a minimum block size (say 2 MB or so)? If so I would be interested in an exchange (maybe off-list) of ideas. I am in favor of a lower limit and am giving it quite a bit of thought at the moment.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Levin Keller via bitcoin-dev
Hear hear Tamas, I agree. I personally prefer to use the "only-bigblocks" branch and not XT with all its features - but as I am not mining that doesn't mean much anyhow. Nevertheless I am happy to be able to publicly proclaim my opinion that the block size should be raised asap. Thank you for goi

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
Being a bitcoin software developer an entrepreneur for years I learned that success is not a direct consequence of technology and is not inevitable. BitcoinXT manifesto (https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt#the-xt-manifesto) should resonate with many fellow entrepreneurs. I applaud Mike and Gav

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On 16 August 2015 at 15:49, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Sorry you feel that way. I devoted a big part of the article to trying to > fairly represent the top 3 arguments made, but ultimately I can't link to a > clear statement of what Bitcoin Core th

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A

2015-08-16 Thread Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev
Hi Eric, Sorry you feel that way. I devoted a big part of the article to trying to fairly represent the top 3 arguments made, but ultimately I can't link to a clear statement of what Bitcoin Core thinks because there isn't one. Some people think the block size should increase, but not now, or not

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Humans constantly arguing about bsize proves that computers should decide

2015-08-16 Thread Andrew via bitcoin-dev
On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:46 AM, xor via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hey folks, > > so you've been stressed with arguing about what to do with the block size > for > months now :( > > Why not realize that the unfruitful permanent need for administrators to > tweak

[bitcoin-dev] Humans constantly arguing about bsize proves that computers should decide

2015-08-16 Thread xor via bitcoin-dev
Hey folks, so you've been stressed with arguing about what to do with the block size for months now :( Why not realize that the unfruitful permanent need for administrators to tweak a magical, god-given (= Satoshi-given) constant is a *strong* indicator for something which should be delegated