Re: [bitcoin-dev] Generalized covenants with taproot enable riskless or risky lending, prevent credit inflation through fractional reserve

2019-07-01 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
It’s an exceedingly poor example. First, value is subjective. It matters not what other people may consider, only those who act. Given that people trade them (ICO tokens), they have value to those people. Second, the scenario would not function given that the value, as with money, is based on

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Generalized covenant to implement side chains embedded into the bitcoin block chain

2019-07-01 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
Any meaningful covenant must be one that is reducing control by the current owner. I can think of countless predicates reducing control, but try to explore the least invasive first, and see if they unlock a new use. Offering alternate control paths is what taproot was designed for, therefore a

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Generalized covenants with taproot enable riskless or risky lending, prevent credit inflation through fractional reserve

2019-07-01 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
My argument does not need the comparison with ICOs. They were just an example that people pay for the utility of register even though others think the tokens they keep track of are worthless. Tamas Blummer > On Jun 30, 2019, at 22:13, Eric Voskuil wrote: > > ICO tokens can be traded

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Generalized covenants with taproot enable riskless or risky lending, prevent credit inflation through fractional reserve

2019-07-01 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
ICO tokens can be traded (indefinitely) for other things of value, so the comparison isn’t valid. I think we’ve both made our points clearly, so I’ll leave it at that. Best, Eric > On Jun 30, 2019, at 12:55, Tamas Blummer wrote: > > >> On Jun 30, 2019, at 20:54, Eric Voskuil wrote: >> >>

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Generalized covenants with taproot enable riskless or risky lending, prevent credit inflation through fractional reserve

2019-07-01 Thread Tamas Blummer via bitcoin-dev
> On Jun 30, 2019, at 20:54, Eric Voskuil wrote: > > Could you please explain the meaning and utility of “unforgeable register” as > it pertains to such encumbered coins? I guess we agree that some way of keeping track of ownership is prerequisite for something to aquire value. We likely