Re: [bitcoin-dev] Coins: A trustless sidechain protocol

2020-01-14 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Robin, > Good morning everybody! > > Thanks again for your detailed feedback. > > Maybe you're right and my solution is just crap :) So back to the drafting > table! > > It seems to be a good idea to separate problem definition and solution. Here > I tried to nail down LN's usabili

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Coins: A trustless sidechain protocol

2020-01-14 Thread Robin Linus via bitcoin-dev
Good morning everybody! Thanks again for your detailed feedback. Maybe you're right and my solution is just crap :) So back to the drafting table! It seems to be a good idea to separate problem definition and solution. Here I tried to nail down LN's usability issue: https://github.com/coins/co

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Modern Soft Fork Activation

2020-01-14 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
In general, your thoughts on the theory of how consensus changes should work I strongly agree with. However, my one significant disagreement is how practical it is for things to *actually* work that way. While I wish ecosystem players (both businesses and users) spent their time interacting with th

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Modern Soft Fork Activation

2020-01-14 Thread Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev
Good thing no one is proposing a naive BIP 9 approach :). I'll note that BIP 9 has been fairly robust (spy-mining issues notwithstanding, which we believe are at least largely solved in the wild) in terms of safety, though I noted extensively in the first mail that it failed in terms of misundersta

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Coins: A trustless sidechain protocol

2020-01-14 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
As well I would like to point out that in order to receive funds, *something* has to be online to get the message that receives the data. In the blockchain layer this is diffused among all fullnodes. At the Lightning layer, your direct peer could hold off on failing an incoming payment while you

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Coins: A trustless sidechain protocol

2020-01-14 Thread Joachim Strömbergson via bitcoin-dev
Hi Robin. While your motivation seems reasonable, your solution is not. It is not enough that a problem exists. Although the solution must be technically sound for the proposal to be interesting. So I agree it makes sense to consider Bitcoin sidechains, not sure if with PoS consensus or other,