Re: [bitcoin-dev] UASF (LOT=true) kick off meeting - Tuesday March 2nd 19:00 UTC on ##uasf IRC channel

2021-03-02 Thread Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces via bitcoin-dev
You can try to redefine all you want but it doesn't make what you're saying true. A soft fork is a constriction of rules A 51% attack is a soft fork with majority mining power. I didn't say that LOT=true does it I said that it must achieve 51% miner support to pose reorg risks to force

Re: [bitcoin-dev] UASF (LOT=true) kick off meeting - Tuesday March 2nd 19:00 UTC on ##uasf IRC channel

2021-03-02 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
I personally don’t like the term 51% attack as applied to censorship. A miner is free to mine or not mine any transactions it wants (censor). The term attack is better reserved for stealing from someone (reclaiming spends using hash power), as it implies a moral distinction. But 51% attack is

Re: [bitcoin-dev] LOT=False is dangerous and shouldn't be used

2021-03-02 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
To clarify, it is the soft fork enforcement by majority hash power that is the 51% attack, not the stopping of it. Majority hash power censors non-conforming transactions. To counter it requires only a non-censoring majority to continue mining. It is correct that the purpose of supermajority

Re: [bitcoin-dev] UASF (LOT=true) kick off meeting - Tuesday March 2nd 19:00 UTC on ##uasf IRC channel

2021-03-02 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Tuesday 02 March 2021 18:22:35 Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I'm realizing that a clear advantage of LOT=false is that it can happen > without the need for a social movement. All that is really needed is the > convincing of 95% miners. Apathetic users will never notice any kind

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Yesterday's Taproot activation meeting on lockinontimeout (LOT)

2021-03-02 Thread Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces via bitcoin-dev
I agree. Thank you Erik for proposing it. It's a pretty good idea. P.S. I wouldn't want a chain split of a low percentage of users though. The minority will be at the mercy of massive PoW swings and the chain will lose friends so it's not good for anyone. I recommend changing the final

Re: [bitcoin-dev] UASF (LOT=true) kick off meeting - Tuesday March 2nd 19:00 UTC on ##uasf IRC channel

2021-03-02 Thread Ariel Lorenzo-Luaces via bitcoin-dev
It's becoming increasingly clear that core might not be able to release activation code. Anyone advocating for a UASF must do tremendous amounts of work to convince users, miners, and service providers to run a UASF client. Anyone advocating against a UASF or indifferent will take the path of

Re: [bitcoin-dev] LOT=False is dangerous and shouldn't be used

2021-03-02 Thread Chris Belcher via bitcoin-dev
It is wrong to say that using miner signalling alone for activation (LOT=false) is a bug. As we vividly saw in the events of the 2017 UASF, the purpose of miner signalling isn't to activate or enforce the new rules but to stop a chain split. A majority of miners can stop a chain split by

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal for new "disabletx" p2p message

2021-03-02 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Mar 01, 2021 at 08:58:46PM +, John Newbery via bitcoin-dev wrote: > We can increase the permitted number of inbound block-relay-only peers > while minimizing resource requirement _and_ improving addr record > propagation, without any changes to the p2p protocol required. +1. I found

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal for new "disabletx" p2p message

2021-03-02 Thread John Newbery via bitcoin-dev
Antoine, Nothing in my proposal below precludes introducing a more comprehensive feature negotiation mechanism at some later date. The only changes I'm proposing are to Bitcoin Core's policy for how it treats its peer connections. > If we don't want to introduce a new message and > corresponding

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK

2021-03-02 Thread Chris Belcher via bitcoin-dev
The idea of a fully-transparent bitcoin is dead and has been for many years. This is because of various privacy tech such as CoinJoin, Lightning Network, PayJoin, change avoidance, avoiding address reuse, etc, along with a few new ones like CoinSwap and WabiSabi hopefully coming soon. On