Re: [bitcoin-dev] bitcoin scripting and lisp

2022-03-10 Thread Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev
On Tue, Mar 08, 2022 at 03:06:43AM +, ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > > They're radically different approaches and > > > it's hard to see how they mix. Everything in lisp is completely sandboxed, > > > and that functionality is important to a lot of things, and it's really > > > normal to

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial

2022-03-10 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Friday 11 March 2022 00:12:19 Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev wrote: > The "no-miner-veto" concerns are, to an extent, addressed by the short > timeline of Speedy Trial. No more waiting 2 years on the miners dragging > their feet. It's still a miner veto. The only way this works is if the

[bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial

2022-03-10 Thread Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev
On Thu., Mar. 10, 2022, 08:04 Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev, < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > > You're right, we shouldn't get personal. We shouldn't ignore feedback from > me, mark friedenbach or luke just because of who it comes from. > For goodness sake Jorge, enough with the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] CTV vaults in the wild

2022-03-10 Thread Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev
Hi James, > I don't really see the vaults case as any different from other > sufficiently involved uses of bitcoin script - I don't remember anyone > raising these concerns for lightning scripts or DLCs or tapscript use, > any of which could be catastrophic if wallet implementations are not >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] CTV vaults in the wild

2022-03-10 Thread Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev
Hi Zeeman, > Have not looked at the actual vault design, but I observe that Taproot allows for a master key (which can be an n-of-n, or a k-of-n with setup (either expensive or trusted, but I repeat myself)) to back out of any contract. > > This master key could be an "even colder" key that you

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Meeting Summary & Logs for CTV Meeting #5

2022-03-10 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
Thank you for explaining. I agree with luke then, I'm against speedy trial. I explained why already, I think. In summary: speedy trial kind of means is miners and not users who decide the rules. It gives users less opportunities to react and oppose a malevolent change in case miners want to impose

Re: [bitcoin-dev] CTV Meeting #5 Agenda (Tuesday, March 7th, 12:00 PT)

2022-03-10 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Wed, Mar 9, 2022, 14:14 Michael Folkson wrote: > Hi Jorge > > > Since this has meetings like taproot, it seems it's going to end up > being added in bitcoin core no matter what. > > Anyone can set up a IRC channel, anyone can organize a IRC meeting, anyone > can announce meetings on the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Wasabi Wallet 2.0 Testnet Release

2022-03-10 Thread nopara73 via bitcoin-dev
> There is no coin control in Wasabi Wallet 2. This is correct, but in and of itself can be misleading for those who know that privacy in Bitcoin is near impossible without coin control, because the conclusion would be then that Wasabi 2.0 ruined privacy for no reason, which is obviously not the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Jets (Was: `OP_FOLD`: A Looping Construct For Bitcoin SCRIPT)

2022-03-10 Thread Billy Tetrud via bitcoin-dev
Hi ZmnSCPxj, > Just ask a bunch of fullnodes to add this 1Mb of extra ignored data in this tiny 1-input-1-output transaction so I pay only a small fee I'm not suggesting that you wouldn't have to pay a fee for it. You'd pay a fee for it as normal, so there's no DOS vector. Doesn't adding extra