Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-04 Thread Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Jim Phillips via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Yes I've had a couple other people point that out to me as well and the logic is sound. Unfortunately that doesn't help solve the actual issue that mining is currently consolidated

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 3 August 2015 at 10:01, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. But again, once we’ve identified specific issues, it is irresponsible to continue to pretend they don’t exist…and to more highly prioritize changes that can only make the problem worse. Again, for the record, I am

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 3 August 2015 at 08:16, Simon Liu via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: Increasing the block size shouldn't be a problem for Chinese miners. Five of the largest - F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi - have already signed a draft agreement indicating they are fine

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Simon Liu via bitcoin-dev
Increasing the block size shouldn't be a problem for Chinese miners. Five of the largest - F2Pool, Antpool, BW, BTCChina, Huobi - have already signed a draft agreement indicating they are fine with an increase to 8 MB: http://www.8btc.com/blocksize-increase-2 With regards to China's international

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Adam Back via bitcoin-dev
Again this should not be a political or business compromise model - we must focus on scientific evaluation, technical requirements and security. But specifically as you asked a group of Chinese miners said they would not run it:

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 3 August 2015 at 08:53, Adam Back a...@cypherspace.org wrote: Again this should not be a political or business compromise model - we must focus on scientific evaluation, technical requirements and security. I will assert that the block size is political because it affects nearly all users

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
On Aug 3, 2015, at 1:52 AM, Hector Chu hector...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 August 2015 at 09:38, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com mailto:elombr...@gmail.com wrote: We already have much more efficient, far more scalable systems that allow this kind of cooperation you speak of without the

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
What's wrong with a little cooperation to resolve things now and then? Man is not an island unto himself, we compete with each other and we cooperate with each other occasionally if it's mutually beneficial. You said yourself that a lot of money would have been lost if the two hard forks cited

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Hector Chu via bitcoin-dev
On 3 August 2015 at 09:38, Eric Lombrozo elombr...@gmail.com wrote: We already have much more efficient, far more scalable systems that allow this kind of cooperation you speak of without the inconveniences of blockchains and such. There is a degree of difference between cooperation in

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-03 Thread Eric Lombrozo via bitcoin-dev
Bah, I don’t know if you’re just trolling me, Hector…but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and act like you aren’t. We already have much more efficient, far more scalable systems that allow this kind of cooperation you speak of without the inconveniences of blockchains and such. These

[bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-02 Thread Jim Phillips via bitcoin-dev
China is a communist country. It is no secret that all capitalist enterprises are essentially State controlled, or at the very least are subject to nationalization should the State deem it necessary. Most ASIC chips are manufactured in China, so they are cheap and accessible to Chinese miners.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] A reason we can all agree on to increase block size

2015-08-02 Thread Pindar Wong via bitcoin-dev
Dear Jim, Thank you for sharing your view w.r.t. the so called 'Chinese Miners'. Diversity of opinion, and mining, are IMHO both good and it's indeed a free world so others who wish to mine bitcoin should be encouraged to make the capital and technical investments to do so. May I ask what