Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-15 Thread Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev
On Friday, 14 October 2016 04:51:01 CEST Daniel Robinson via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Because if not, the DPL is still better than the status quo. > > Agreed. Also worth noting that it has a potential advantage over > unilateral patent disarmament, analogous to the advantage of copyleft > licenses

Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Daniel Robinson via bitcoin-dev
First, non-practicing entities are definitely a problem, but they're far from the only companies involved in software patent litigation. As you say yourself, one reason companies obtain patents is to "prevent competition"—meaning they produce a competing product. Look at the billion-dollar

Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Nick ODell via bitcoin-dev
Pledging to not use patents offensively defeats the point of owning patents. The point of owning a patent is so that you can use it offensively, either to prevent competition, or get licensing fees. Obtaining a patent for defense doesn't make sense. The litigants you need to worry about do not

Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
Oh God... here we go again.. > > Again, lets remember that you personally proposed a BIP[1] that had the > effect > of aiding your ASICBOOST patent[2] without disclosing that fact in your > BIP nor > your pull-req[3]. > > This is false. The first sentence of the BIP states: "There are incentives

Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 04:51:01AM -0700, Daniel Robinson wrote: > > > > Because if not, the DPL is still better than the status quo. > > > Agreed. Also worth noting that it has a potential advantage over unilateral > patent disarmament, analogous to the advantage of copyleft licenses over >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev
On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 07:38:07AM -0300, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev wrote: > I read the DPL v1.1 and I find it dangerous for Bitcoin users. Current > users may be confident they are protected but in fact they are not, as the > future generations of users can be attacked, making Bitcoin

[bitcoin-dev] DPL is not only not enough, but brings unfounded confidence to Bitcoin users

2016-10-14 Thread Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev
I read the DPL v1.1 and I find it dangerous for Bitcoin users. Current users may be confident they are protected but in fact they are not, as the future generations of users can be attacked, making Bitcoin technology fully proprietary and less valuable. If you read the DPL v1.1 you will see that