Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-13 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Luke, > > Another point to ponder is test modes. > > In mass production you need test modes. > > > (Sure, an attacker can try targeted ESD at the `TESTMODE` flip-flop > > repeatedly, but this risks also flipping other scan flip-flops that contain > > the data that is being

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-13 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
(cc'ing over to libre-soc-dev) https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018392.html On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 8:21 AM ZmnSCPxj wrote: > > i was stunned to learn that in a 28nm ASIC, 50% of it is repeater-buffers! > > Well, that surprises me as well. > [...] > So I

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-13 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 3:01 PM Bryan Bishop wrote: > I don't see what you're talking about? None of your February emails > were sent to ozlabs according to the archives there. Threads for the > bitcoin-dev mailing list are stored here: >

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-13 Thread Bryan Bishop via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 4:18 AM Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > ... actually i don't see them in the bounces. what's happening there? > > On Saturday, February 13, 2021, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton < > l...@lkcl.net> wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:10 AM ZmnSCPxj > wrote: > >> Good

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-13 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 6:10 AM ZmnSCPxj wrote: > > Good morning Luke, morning - can i ask you a favour because moderated (off-topic) messages are being forwarded https://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev-moderation/ could you send these instead to libre-soc-...@lists.libre-soc.org? many

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-12 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Luke, Another thing we can do with scan mode would be something like the below masking: input CLK, RESET_N; input TESTMODE; input SCANOUT_INTERNAL; output SCANOUT_PAD; reg gating; wire n_gating = gating && TESTMODE; always_ff @(posedge CLK, negedge

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-11 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Luke, > > (to be fair, there were tools to force you to improve coverage by injecting > > faults to your RTL, e.g. it would virtually flip an `&&` to an `||` and if > > none of your tests signaled an error it would complain that your test > > coverage sucked.) > > nice! It

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > Good morning again Luke, :) > If you mean miner power usage, then power efficiency will not reduce energy consumption. > Thus, any rational miner will just pack more miners in the same number of watts rather than reduce their watt consumption.

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-03 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
(hi folks do cc me, i am subscribed digest, thank you for doing that, ZmnSCPxj) On Wednesday, February 3, 2021, ZmnSCPxj wrote: > Good morning Luke, > > I happen to have experience designing digital ASICs, mostly pipelined data processing. > However my experience is limited to larger geometries

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-02 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning again Luke, > [my personal favourite is a focus on power-efficiency: battery-operated > hand-held devices at or below 3.5 watts (thus not requiring thermal pipes or > fans - which tend to break). i have to admit i am a little alarmed at the > world-wide energy consumption of

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-02-02 Thread ZmnSCPxj via bitcoin-dev
Good morning Luke, I happen to have experience designing digital ASICs, mostly pipelined data processing. However my experience is limited to larger geometries and in SystemVerilog. On the technical side, as I understand it (I have been out of that industry for 4 years now, so my knowledge may

[bitcoin-dev] Libre/Open blockchain / cryptographic ASICs

2021-01-25 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton via bitcoin-dev
folks, hi, please do cc me as i am subscribed "digest", apologies for the inconvenience. i've been speaking on and off with kanzure, asking his advice about a libre / transparently-developed ASIC / SoC, for some time, since meeting a very interesting person at the Barcelona RISC-V Workshop in