Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-08 Thread vjudeu via bitcoin-dev
> I don't know of any data of what happens at the point where the coinbase > drops to below the fees on any chain. I don't think there has been one where > that has happened. Perhaps there is a chain out there where it is fee's only? > Perhaps that can provide insight. I think federations like

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-04 Thread Andrew Melnychuk Oseen via bitcoin-dev
From my limited knowledge in the space, and I've taken opinions of people I respect that are far more knowledgeable than me. I don't know of any data of what happens at the point where the coinbase drops to below the fees on any chain. I don't think there has been one where that has happened. P

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-03 Thread WMOURA via bitcoin-dev
Hello, In my amateur opinion, I imagine that this would give excessive power to the miner, introducing a bug in the system, because if the miner put an absurdly high minimum rate intentionally or not, this would cause a serious problem, or not. Em qua., 1 de mar. de 2023 às 17:25, Giuseppe B via

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-03 Thread Giuseppe B via bitcoin-dev
This will indeed give some power to the miners. But they have no incentives in posting super high numbers as that means they won't get paid or they will with a lot of delay. This is not simply like setting the price for a product that has a fixed quality. In the case of the mining services, setting

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-03 Thread Giuseppe B via bitcoin-dev
Hi shesek, Minimum fees may not be the right mechanism. However I disagree with the general idea that "if it's optimal for society to do X then they'll do X". There's plenty of examples where people fail to coordinate in the absence of a suitable framework, see the "free rider" problem with public

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-02 Thread Jaroslaw via bitcoin-dev
> to bring the equilibrium The important thing to highlight is that's not equilibrium between active users and miners. This needed in the future equilibrium is between: Active Users (transactional tax) vs Passive Users (i.e. stakeholders: inflation tax) And miners will only earn as much as t

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Minimum fees

2023-03-01 Thread Nadav Ivgi via bitcoin-dev
Hi Giuseppe, One side-effect this has is that until enough fees accumulate in the mempool to satisfy min_fees, the rational behaviour for miners would be to try and fork the chain tip, competing for the fees in the latest block (+whatever got into the mempool in the meanwhile and can fit in). This