Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev
On Friday 14 May 2021 21:41:23 Michael Fuhrmann via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Bitcoin should create blocks every 10 minutes in average. So why do > miners need to mine the 9 minutes after the last block was found? It's > not necessary. It increases security, and is unavoidable anyway. > Problem: How

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Karl via bitcoin-dev
> 1. Has anyone considered that it might be technically not possible to > completely 'power down' mining rigs during this 'cool-down' period of time? > While modern CPUs have power-saving modes, I am not sure about ASICs used for > mining. Sounds like a point to consider, note the economic

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Eric Voskuil via bitcoin-dev
https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Efficiency-Paradox https://github.com/libbitcoin/libbitcoin-system/wiki/Proof-of-Memory-Fallacy ___ bitcoin-dev mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Zac Greenwood via bitcoin-dev
> if energy is only expended for 10% of the same duration, this money must now be spent on hardware. More equipment obviously increases the total energy usage. You correctly point out that the total expenses of a miner are not just energy but include capital expenses for equipment and

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Anton Ragin via bitcoin-dev
1. Has anyone considered that it might be technically not possible to completely 'power down' mining rigs during this 'cool-down' period of time? While modern CPUs have power-saving modes, I am not sure about ASICs used for mining. 2. I am not a huge data-center specialist, but it was my

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Karl via bitcoin-dev
[sorry if I haven't replied to the other thread on this, I get swamped by email and don't catch them all] This solution is workable but it seems somewhat difficult to me at this time. The clock might be implementable on a peer network level by requiring inclusion of a transaction that was

Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy

2021-05-16 Thread Zac Greenwood via bitcoin-dev
Hi Michael, Your proposal won’t save any energy because it does nothing to decrease the budget available to mine a block (being the block reward). Even if it were technically possible to find a way for nodes to somehow reach consensus on a hash that gets generated after 9 minutes, all it