Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-05-03 Thread Roy Badami
the SI prefixes. People *do* use 63k USD, $63k, and $3M. I'll be the first one As a counter argument, many sources (including the BBC) abbreviate million to 'm' (and billion to 'bn'), e.g. $3m, $3bn. I think any similarity with SI units here is coincidental. roy

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread Christophe Biocca
Context as a disambiguator works fine when the interlocutors understand the topics they're talking about. Not a day goes by without me seeing neurotypical people get horribly confused between RAM and Hard Drive sizes, because they share the same units (not that that can be helped, as the units are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread slush
Excellent points Christophe! Although moving to 1e-6 units is fine for me and I see advantages of doing this, I don't get that people on this mailing list are fine with calling such unit bit. It's geeky as hell, ambiguous and confusing. slush On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Christophe Biocca

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread Tamas Blummer
bit has a lot of meanings to geeks, so what. bit means for average people: - something very small, that 100 satoshi is. - part of the name Bitcoin - easy to get conversion 1 coin = 1 million bits = 1 Bitcoin Regards, Tamas Blummer Founder, CEO http://bitsofproof.com On 03.05.2014, at 18:02,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread Mike Caldwell
I agree with the sentiment that most people don't understand either computer science or Bitcoin. The goal of getting people to understand enough about Bitcoin to use it is achievable and a goal that is in scope of our efforts. Getting them to understand computer science at large at the same

[Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Flavien Charlon
Can someone enlighten me on why the following transaction is being rejected by Bitcoind 0.9.1 with error code -22 on Mainnet.

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The standard format ended up being exactly: OP_RETURN 0 to 40-byte PUSHDATA You've split the data across two PUSHDATA's. The standard should have let the data be split up like that; pull requests accepted. On 3 May 2014 13:04:52 GMT-05:00,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc

2014-05-03 Thread Jannis Froese
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.05.2014 02:54, Ben Davenport wrote: No one quotes amounts as 63 k$ or 3 M$. The accepted standard at least in the US is currency-symbolamountmodifier, i.e. $63k or $3M. As you said, that's in the US, and I strongly suspect the sole reason

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Friedenbach
I don't think such a pull request would be accepted. The point was to minimize impact to the block chain. Each extras txout adds 9 bytes minimum, with zero benefit over serializing the data together in a single OP_RETURN. On 05/03/2014 11:39 AM, Peter Todd wrote: The standard format ended up

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Mark Friedenbach m...@monetize.io wrote: I don't think such a pull request would be accepted. The point was to minimize impact to the block chain. Each extras txout adds 9 bytes minimum, with zero benefit over serializing the data together in a single

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Mark Friedenbach
Is it more complex? The current implementation using template matching seems more complex than `if script.vch[0] == OP_RETURN script.vch.size() 42` On 05/03/2014 12:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Mark Friedenbach m...@monetize.io wrote: I don't think such a

[Bitcoin-development] A statistical consensus rule for reducing 0-conf double-spend risk

2014-05-03 Thread Tom Harding
This idea was suggested by Joe on 2011-02-14 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3441.msg48484#msg48484 . It deserves another look. Nodes today make a judgment regarding which of several conflicting spends to accept, and which is a double-spend. But there is no incorporation of these

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread Chris Pacia
Absent a concerted effort to move to something else other than 'bits', I would be willing to bet the nomenclature moves in that direction anyway. 'Bits' is just a shorten word for 'millibits' (or microbits, if you will). It's easier to say and my guess is people would tend to use it naturally own

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Re: [Bitcoin-development] A statistical consensus rule for reducing 0-conf double-spend risk

2014-05-03 Thread Christophe Biocca
Unfortunately this could fork the network permanently, which is much worse than a double spend. There's no magic way to have a consensus, so it becomes trivial with a few tries to split the network into two halves: (tx1 before tx2, tx2 before tx1). Some nodes in the middle will accept either

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bug with handing of OP_RETURN?

2014-05-03 Thread Jeff Garzik
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Flavien Charlon flavien.char...@coinprism.com wrote: Outputs are above dust, inputs are not spent. OP_RETURN is supposed to be standard in 0.9.1 and the data is well below 40 bytes, so why is this being rejected? The carried data must all be contained within one

Re: [Bitcoin-development] bits: Unit of account

2014-05-03 Thread Drak
+1 On 4 May 2014 02:06, Chris Pacia ctpa...@gmail.com wrote: Absent a concerted effort to move to something else other than 'bits', I would be willing to bet the nomenclature moves in that direction anyway. 'Bits' is just a shorten word for 'millibits' (or microbits, if you will). It's easier