Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Thomas Zander
On Sunday 28. December 2014 18.25.29 Mike Hearn wrote: Lately we have been bumping up against the limitations of DNS as a protocol for learning about the p2p network. Can you explain further where limitations and problems were hit? -- Thomas Zander

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 A big one is the privacy is way too good: every DNS request goes through multiple levels of caching and indirection, so there's no way to figure out who made the request to subject them additional targeting. A connection-oriented protocol gets

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Mike Hearn
Can you explain further where limitations and problems were hit? Well, look at the feature list :) The biggest need from my POV is querying support. It's awkward to try and retrofit flexible key=value pair queries onto DNS, it just wasn't designed for that. With HTTP it's easy. This will

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Thomas Zander
On Monday 29. December 2014 11.30.42 Mike Hearn wrote: With the current DNS protocol you get an all or nothing choice Its a seed. Not the protocol itself. Firstly, Peter, get help. I'm serious. I think most would agree with me that, Mike, this answer is not just a little over the line, its

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Peter Todd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29 December 2014 12:49:45 CET, Thomas Zander tho...@thomaszander.se wrote: On Monday 29. December 2014 11.30.42 Mike Hearn wrote: With the current DNS protocol you get an all or nothing choice Its a seed. Not the protocol itself. Firstly,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Btc Drak
Mike, In all seriousness, are you on the payroll of the NSA or similar to repeatedly attempt to introduce privacy leaks[1] and weaknesses[2] into the ecosystem not to mention logical fallacies like ad hominem attacks; disruption[3] and FUD[4]? Why do you answer objections by hand waving and

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Cartographer

2014-12-29 Thread Mistr Bigs
As an outside observer, I have to say I also found Peter's sardonic message tone inappropriate for furthering the discussion. -- Dive into the World of Parallel Programming! The Go Parallel Website, sponsored by Intel and

[Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Sergio Lerner
I propose to allow miners to voluntarily lock funds by letting miners add additional inputs to the coinbase transaction. Currently the coinbase transaction does not allow any real input to be added (only a pseudo-input). This is a hard-fork, and we could include it the next time a hardfork is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Mike Hearn
Could you explain a bit further Sergio? I'm not sure I fully understand the proposal. How does adding inputs to a coinbase differ from just having pay-to-fee transactions in the block? -- Dive into the World of Parallel

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Monday, December 29, 2014 7:21:02 PM Sergio Lerner wrote: I propose to allow miners to voluntarily lock funds by letting miners add additional inputs to the coinbase transaction. Currently the coinbase transaction does not allow any real input to be added (only a pseudo-input). This is

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Justus Ranvier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 12/29/2014 09:10 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: How does adding inputs to a coinbase differ from just having pay-to-fee transactions in the block? If a miner includes pay-to-fee transactions in a block, those fees could be claimed by another miner in

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Luke Dashjr
On Monday, December 29, 2014 9:10:20 PM Mike Hearn wrote: How does adding inputs to a coinbase differ from just having pay-to-fee transactions in the block? Pay-to-fee transactions can be stolen by another block at the same or greater height. Additional inputs to the generation transaction are

Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP: Voluntary deposit bonds

2014-12-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Sergio Lerner sergioler...@certimix.com wrote: I propose to allow miners to voluntarily lock funds by letting miners add additional inputs to the coinbase transaction. Currently the coinbase transaction does not allow any real input to be added (only a