Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-16 Thread grarpamp
Please no GoogleGroups. Stick with mailman or some other open source thing you can move around from place to place as needed. Also, online third party archives die, their web interfaces suck ass, they're bloated, don't export, aren't offline capable or authoritative, etc. You need to make the raw

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-16 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > > *List Name?* Would people prefer "bitcoin-development" for he new list > name instead of a shorter name like "bitcoin-dev"? I personally like the > shorter name, but either is fine. > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-15 Thread Pieter Wuille
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:45 PM, Adam Weiss wrote: > ps. I think SF will let project admins download mbox archives of the list, > the new admins should be able to import them to keep archive consistency in > one place. > That seems to be right. I just downloaded the entire archive of this list (

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-15 Thread Adam Weiss
Recent versions of mailman strip DKIM signatures, rewrite the envelope-from to use an address at the list's domain and set reply-to to the original authors address to resolve the DMARC issue. I'm on several lists that do this and it works just fine. +1 on moving the list. Given the fact that the

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-15 Thread Mike Hearn
Bear in mind the problem that stops Jeff's messages getting through is that mailman 1.0 doesn't know how to handle DKIM properly. Switching to a different mailman provider won't fix that. Does mailman 3.0 even fix this? I found it difficult to tell from their website. There's a big page on the mai

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-15 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What about Gittorrent? http://blog.printf.net/articles/2015/05/29/announcing-gittorrent-a-decen tralized-github/ On 06/14/2015 08:19 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Jeff Garzik > wrote: > >

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Andy Schroder
Andy Schroder On 06/14/2015 11:19 PM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Jeff Garzik > wrote: * ACK on moving away from SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a community-welcomed replacement is up and running * ACK on using

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > * ACK on moving away from SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a > community-welcomed replacement is up and running > > * ACK on using LF as a mailing infrastructure provider > > * Research secure mailing list models, for bitcoin-secur

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > From the perspective of our community, for bitcoin-dev it seems like a great > fit. Why? While they are interested in supporting general open source > development, the LF has literally zero stake in this. In addition to > neutrality,

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Davide Cavion
Hi, I just wanted to let everyone know that every email is also archived at bitcoin-development.narkive.com , where you can find everything since the beginning of the list (June 2011). That should answer to Andy’s concern about the older messages not bei

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Adam Back
It might be as well to keep the archive but disable new posts as otherwise we create bit-rot for people who linked to posts on sourceforge. The list is also archived on mail-archive though. https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/ Adam On 14 June 2015 at 22:55, And

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread odinn
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I fully agree and support this idea. Some recent discussion on social media which touches on this very subject of bitcoin and sourceforge (I include nmap and gittorrent as well because those seem relevant, imho) https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Andy Schroder
Hello, I'd support moving to a Linux Foundation e-mail list. I am also against google groups. I agree that the gesture of moving indicates that SourceForge is not playing nice on other issues and that moving this list shows their behavior is being acknowledged. I understand your reason for w

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Peter Todd
On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 11:15:18AM -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote: > * ACK on moving away from SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a > community-welcomed replacement is up and running > > * ACK on using LF as a mailing infrastructure provider > > * Research secure mailing list models, for bitc

Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Jeff Garzik
* ACK on moving away from SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a community-welcomed replacement is up and running * ACK on using LF as a mailing infrastructure provider * Research secure mailing list models, for bitcoin-security. The list is not ultra high security - we all use PGP for t

[Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity

2015-06-14 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
Discomfort with Sourceforge For a while now people have been expressing concern about Sourceforge's continued hosting of the bitcoin-dev mailing list. Downloads were moved completely to bitcoin.org after the Sept 2014 hacking incident of the SF project account. The company's behavior and perceiv