Re: [Blackbelly] Question about best way to induce belching

2009-02-28 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I've tubed baking soda and water before when our goats needed immediate help. If it's not an emergency, I offer up, free choice, both loose baking soda and minerals. The goats and sheep seem to know when and how much they need. -Renee > From: day...@msn.com > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysh

Re: [Blackbelly] List OK??

2008-10-12 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
And mine never spoke either for years, until we brought in two Katahdins, and now a few B along with them. Renee Bailey N. Idaho >> >> I have the weirdest question to ask the group. Do your sheep BAA? Mine >> never do, in fact some of them have never made any sounds at all. __

Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbellies - Sheep slobbering and shaking while eating?

2008-07-22 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Not sure if my repley was very clear...My sheep were just choking and trying to dislodge the food. Adding moisture to the feed helped alot. -Renee > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:04:03 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbell

Re: [Blackbelly] Blackbellies - Sheep slobbering and shaking while eating?

2008-07-22 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Another thought.My sheep did this when I fed them dry, dusty feed or when I re-introduced them to feed after being away from it for a while. They'd scarf it down, start to choke, and drool, shake their heads and jump. Now I either add molassas/water mix to the feed or just give them less an

Re: [Blackbelly] Can anyone HELP me with my new Lamb?

2008-06-18 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I use to call in my goats..."goaty goaty goaty goaty", so when I added Blackbellys, that's what they got use to. Now we just have sheep so it looks pretty funny as I call in my sheep..."goaty goaty goaty"! Like others have said, when they get use to something, they relax. My husband went to gre

Re: [Blackbelly] BB Minerals Lacking?

2008-04-11 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Good Morning, I've been told that sheep in general are missing minerals if they eat barkbut which specific mineral, I don't know. I look forward to reading the other responses. I've also been told that hair sheep tend to eat bark, branches, etc "just because", since they are brousers, like

Re: [Blackbelly] Feeding Trivia

2008-01-15 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Thank you, Mark! I'm still learning about the different hays, mainly by viewing and using what's available here in Northern Idaho. Thanks for taking the time to share the details! Right now I'm supplimenting alfalfa hay because the grass mix hay we got just isn't giving the nutrition that th

Re: [Blackbelly] Feeding Trivia

2008-01-14 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Sharon, I'm guessing there's not a simple answer to this question...but when do you use each of the five varieties of hay? Thanks! Renee Bailey Currently we have five different varieties that are > used based on the different times they are needed. A

[Blackbelly] FW: Safe Handling of Horned Rams

2007-09-29 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Hi Barb, I love the "handles" that come with horned rams, so I don't disbud. We use to disbud our goat kids...a requirement for showing 4-H goats...but I hated the process. Even when done properly, smoke will come out of their noses, so you have to wonder what the heat is doing to their brai

Re: [Blackbelly] Thoughts on "Finishing" Lambs

2007-09-28 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Thank you, Barb, for sharing! I always enjoy reading your posts and comparing your notes with mine. A clarification question, though. You stated that calcium interfers with the toughening process. Do you mean that higher calcuim equals more tender meat? I think that's what I read but wanted to

Re: [Blackbelly] Updates

2007-07-24 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
There's another sheep list that mentioned vinegar as a solution. One person puts Apple Cider vinegar in a container with a squirt or two of dish soapthe flies go in and then drown. Another recipe was given for a spray5 oz of dish soap(like Dawn) to 1 quart of white vinegar. You then spr

Re: [blackbelly] OSU Web site recognizes American Blackbelly

2007-05-10 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
What a wonderfully detailed page! Who is the magnificent Ram pictured on the AB page? -Renee http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/sheep/american%20blackbelly/index.htm Barb Lee and I developed the text for the page. > Carol _

Re: [blackbelly] Do we have to have a ram?

2007-04-11 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
So if the ram is with your ewes year-round do you separate out the ewes lambs & at what age. I've kept my ram with my ewes and lambs year round, but then I have AB crosses and whatever they're crossed with has caused them to only breed from around Sept-Nov and the ram hasn't been interested in

Re: [blackbelly] scours, adult sheep

2007-04-09 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Tick repellant maybe? Someone on another group mentioned using sulfur blocks to repel ticks on her livestick. I then did a google search and found that dusting yourself or livestock with sulfur power will do the same. Never heard of that! Renee N. Idaho >The other item we now use is a "sulp

Re: [blackbelly] market for sheep skulls

2007-03-14 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I agree, Carol. It's a great place...and easy to use. I remember searching for skulls last year and was surprised to see the "end of auction" sale prices! I haven't sold any yet but I sell other things from time to time. If anyone needs help getting started, you are welcome to email me off list.

Re: [blackbelly] Lamb replacer for Goat Kids

2007-03-03 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Hi Nancy, I've fed lamb replacer to my kids before with no problems. I've heard that goats tend to get scours easier so I just made sure to add a little more water to the formula. I've included a few links below that I used in the past. I no longer have goats but when I had both I would just ma

Re: [blackbelly] lamb weights

2007-01-29 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
You make a very good point, Barb, concerning the economics. Most of the time, I've let the ewe's wean their lambs themselves, which usually occurs around 4 months. Between 3-4 months, I notice a decrease in the amount of time the ewe's let their lambs nurse. And only once, did I separate the la

Re: [blackbelly] Question

2007-01-26 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Good question. I looked at a few sheep feed labels that the kids had saved and it shows the addition of Calcium Carbonate. I don't see "Calcium Bicarbonate" though, and I don't really know the difference. Maybe someone else does? I'm curious I know that sheep should maintain a Calcium/Phosp

Re: [blackbelly] Question

2007-01-26 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I purchased those small 'two compartment' feeders from Jeffers. I put sheep mineral in one part and baking soda in the other...free choice. The sheep (and goats when I had them) seem to know when they need either one. The challenge is keeping the Baking Soda dry, when they aren't eating it...and

Re: [blackbelly] a newbie breeder/more birth weight info

2007-01-23 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I too am still a Newbie, although I've had my small flock of AB x's for over three years now. I've been taking notes on this thread, especially on weights. I just purchased a digital "fish" scale that weighs up to 120 lbs (from ebay) and so I'll be able to "weigh in" on my weights (birth,growth

[blackbelly] Did you receive an Ag Survey in the mail?

2007-01-19 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I received my Ag Survey a few days ago. I will not be filling out. For those of you that don't subscribe to the goatandsheepranchers yahoo group, I've copied an interesting post below. Renee Harrison, Idaho Posted by: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] p

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Cecil, Would you be willing to share the dosages that you use? I currently use Ivomec injectable (but use orally) at a rate of 1 ml per 100#. I started using this product because that was what everyone else in this area was using for goats (although for them, it was 1 ml per 34-50#). Now that I

Re: [blackbelly] A Hard Pill to Swallow

2006-08-04 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Oh Barb! My heart goes out to you! I don't have any answers myself so I will be watching the replies to your post with interest. I had some isolated problems myself years ago with goats, a little different symptoms though. Every time I thought I knew what was going on, I was proven wrong. I didn

Re: [blackbelly] Sheep to Pasture

2006-06-02 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
I don't have that much experience so when I had lots of green pasture this spring (for the first time) I worried about the same thing. So I let them out and watched them closely. After a few hours I could tell their bellys had enough. Actually the goats should have been brought in earlier. I de

Re: [blackbelly] Fwd: URGENT-Please help stop NAIS funding at least until it's fixed

2006-05-31 Thread Paul & Renee Bailey
Interesting! I never received a reply from my letter/email...and I somewhat expected one from our Idaho Rep, "Butch" Otter! Renee Harrison, Idhao >From: Julian Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info >To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info >Subject: Re: [bla

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
Thanks for the insight, Terry! I agree that building up the soil makes much better since. We've been bringing in horse manure and doing some other things to try to create a better soil. It will take some time, but I'm not giving up. I did wonder when the rains came, if all was for not! -Renee

Re: [blackbelly] thistle

2006-05-27 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
We have very rocky terrain so thistles love certain areas of our property. In the past, Paul has sprayed with Roundup, but I wouldn't let him spray the areas the animals graze. Of course, now the places he sprayed years ago looks greatand the animal grazing areas have thistles! Yes, my sheep

Re: [blackbelly] Covexin 8

2006-05-15 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
Yes, I heard that too so I plan to watch very closely. I also give the SQ injections over the ribs, behind the armpit, away from any lymph gland. Last year I ran across a great diagram showing where all the lymph glands were on sheep, along with the best injections sites to use. If I run across

[blackbelly] Butchering

2006-05-15 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
Barb, How did the butchering go today? We had three that we were going to butcher a few weeks ago. We had been waiting on a friend that wanted to come watch and learn. When he didn't show, I thought we had lost our window of opportunity, since the weather now is so warm. However, we realized t

Re: [blackbelly] colostrum feeding

2006-05-15 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
I just started using Covexin 8 this year. I seem to be the last one in this neighborhood to change over (grin). Before that I used CD/T. I have AB's crossed with a wool variety of some sort, so I don't feel comfortable at all not vaccinating. However, I also agree with Carol's thinking and would

[blackbelly] Tube Feeding

2006-05-04 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
A question to Cecil and the group: I have never had to tube feed a lamb (knock on wood) but I would like to learn. I'm sure that watching someone is the best way, but since I have no one close by, I'm hoping I can learn from all of you. I found what I think is a good site, thanks to a link f

Re: [blackbelly] Sedative Question & Welcome

2006-05-02 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
That is so true, Terry! My husband will talk at them, and move forward towards themand they all scatter! I ignore them, walk away like I have something they want...and they all follow me. Pretty funny to watch! I also have one Ewe that is not afraid at all to come up to meand all her lam

Re: [blackbelly] lamb with bloat--please help soon.

2006-05-01 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
Mark, I had heard that giving vegetable oil for bloat was not good because it's digestable so it takes longer to go through the sheep's system. Do I have that wrong? Is one vegetable oil better than another(peanut,canola,corn,etc). What kind do you use? I'll have to remember to give it col

Re: [blackbelly] lamb with bloat--please help soon

2006-05-01 Thread Paul &amp; Renee Bailey
Here was my reply to John: -Renee I'm somewhat new too and don't know how to post so I'm emailing you directly. I'm more familiar with bloat in goatsbut their gut is the same as sheep when it comes to bloat so I'll see if I can help. There are two kinds of bloat, and di