Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-22 Thread Archaic
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:33:53AM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > and of course it bombed, in the following way. Fetchmail threw an smtp > error when the message was rejected (smtp protocol error), stopped Fetchmail is for pop3, imap, etc.. Not smtp. I fail to understand where postfix would co

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-22 Thread Declan Moriarty
Recently, Somebody Somewhere wrote these words > > > > This has been a very educational thread. The education continues. I did experiment with this limited set of smtp restrictions, which would have been nice. smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_non_fqdn_sender reject_unknown_sender_domai

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Jason Gurtz
On 11/18/2005 14:31, Dan Nicholson wrote: > One more Q before getting out of your hair. Any doco suggestions for > running an IMAP server. This is really what I want to do, I think. I think your two best choices for software here are either dovecot or courier-imap. Thankfully, running an imap s

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 11/18/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:31:13AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > > > One more Q before getting out of your hair. Any doco suggestions for > > running an IMAP server. This is really what I want to do, I think. > > BLFS-6.0 and also look on postfi

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Archaic
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:31:13AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > One more Q before getting out of your hair. Any doco suggestions for > running an IMAP server. This is really what I want to do, I think. BLFS-6.0 and also look on postfix.org for howto's. That'll get you started. But if you buy

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 11/18/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you aren't adverse to buying books, > then hands down the best doco I have ever found is "The Book of Postfix" > by Hildebrandt and Koetter. Pricey, but is a nearly one-stop shop for > understanding the mail protocol and mail server theory and ap

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Archaic
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 09:52:01AM -0800, Dan Nicholson wrote: > > As someone with absolutely no experience setting up a mail server > asking someone who obviously has tons of experience, what is some of > the better documentation to read on the subject? Seems there are a > ton of configuration o

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 11/16/05, Archaic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: < snip loads of technical goodies > Archaic, As someone with absolutely no experience setting up a mail server asking someone who obviously has tons of experience, what is some of the better documentation to read on the subject? Seems there are a

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Archaic
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 12:34:01PM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > This has been a very educational thread. One last thing. When a bounce > is done at smtp level, does it go to envelope sender or 'original' > sender? If the latter, I probably couldn't bounce in this email 'cage' > anyhow. Boun

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Declan Moriarty
Recently, Somebody Somewhere wrote these words > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:23:05AM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > > > Third, If I applied things like reject_non_fqdn_sender, > > reject_unknown_sender_domain or reject_unverified_sender I would > > bounce several list members with half cocked ma

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Archaic
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 10:23:05AM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > Third, If I applied things like reject_non_fqdn_sender, > reject_unknown_sender_domain or reject_unverified_sender I would bounce > several list members with half cocked mail setups, I suspect. Let me try to clarify some those

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-18 Thread Declan Moriarty
Recently, Somebody Somewhere wrote these words > > And for postfix users who want to put a stranglehold on spam at the > smtp level, and avoid SA and it's huge penalty, look at the postfix > man pages for the following (note, this is very restrictive, and order > is important): > > smtpd_recipien

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Jason Gurtz
On 11/16/2005 12:21, Justin Knierim wrote: > Yeah, that would be from one of my emails. While it is true that header > won't resolve, I don't see it as being incorrect. I'm not sure if I see it as being incorrect either. From what I understand, large userbase setups that use various levels of i

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Doug Reich
It's not essential. You could try Mozilla Thunderbird. It's built in junk mail filtering works quite well. Aside from the mail reader being a matter of preference, your solution isn't always applicable. Personally, I check my mail from at least 4 different mail clients, which aren't all even T

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Andrew Benton
Declan Moriarty wrote: I'm on a bb modem like most folks and have to relay through my isp, and only get through because I'm in their network range. I _do_not_receive_ at smtp level. It's pop3. SA is therefore a must for the likes of me, who doesn't want to look at spam. It's not essential. Yo

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Justin Knierim
Declan Moriarty wrote: This is informational, as a lot of you seem to be using poorly configured mail servers without knowing it. There are 2 main errors: 1. Allowing IP addresses reserved for private networks onto the net, e.g. Received: from [192.168.1.45] (pool-71-103-104-29.lsanca.dsl-w.v

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Archaic
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 12:31:58PM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > The numbers are 1. Internal IP 2.Modem's hostname 3. Reverse lookup, > as I understand it, and that one is lifted from a legitimate mail. Correct, sortof. Technically, #2 is what the smtp server detects from the packet (whic

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Declan Moriarty
Recently, Somebody Somewhere wrote these words > On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 08:06:45AM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > This is informational, as a lot of you seem to be using poorly > > configured mail servers without knowing it. > > > > There are 2 main errors: > > > > 1. Allowing IP addresses re

Re: [OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-16 Thread Archaic
On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 08:06:45AM +, Declan Moriarty wrote: > This is informational, as a lot of you seem to be using poorly > configured mail servers without knowing it. > > There are 2 main errors: > > 1. Allowing IP addresses reserved for private networks onto the net, > e.g. > > Receive

[OT] Sending 'clean' mail

2005-11-15 Thread Declan Moriarty
This is informational, as a lot of you seem to be using poorly configured mail servers without knowing it. There are 2 main errors: 1. Allowing IP addresses reserved for private networks onto the net, e.g. Received: from [192.168.1.45] (pool-71-103-104-29.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.103.104