Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I'm already on the list. :) I await those links! :) -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Sounds great! Thanks. Please join our list in oder to receive download > links when they bec

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Sounds great! Thanks. Please join our list in oder to receive download links when they become available. Thanks, Fernando On 04/30/2017 03:22 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I have a Braille display, so I could test. ___ Blinux-l

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
No problem. Since our work will be based on ARCH, there is a good chance that what has been done for other distros will also work on ours. Fernando On 05/01/2017 04:09 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: [Fernando] [...] Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-05-01 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
[Fernando] [...] > Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in order to get great > technology into the hands of the blind in developing countries. Since > Braille displays are so expensive, we have not done |Braille in the past. > > But we could change this if we could get contribu

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I have a Braille display, so I could test. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Hi Lars, > > Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in order to get > great technology

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi Lars, Our focus is usually on keeping things very low-cost, in order to get great technology into the hands of the blind in developing countries. Since Braille displays are so expensive, we have not done |Braille in the past. But we could change this if we could get contributors who care

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yep, I totally agree. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > In all fairness, how often does a complaint of copyright, patent, or > trademark infringement come from the actual author,

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
In all fairness, how often does a complaint of copyright, patent, or trademark infringement come from the actual author, inventor, artist, etc. who created the work in question? Best I can tell, complaints of infringement almost always come from the executives of the publisher, most of whom had not

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thank you for the link!! Al On 4/29/2017 8:23 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: The reason that I only work within the public domain is because of the misconception that copyright monopolies are the only means by which artists and authors may be paid for their work. However, this is

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I don't use emacs, and so have no interest in emacspeak, and maybe my opinion would be different if I used braille, but while I comprehend the need for well developed braille and speech tools and the ability for these tools to work together for users who use both, I personally prefer that braille a

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
No, probably not. Emacspeak is audio only. Sometimes I like that, sometimes I don’t. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > [Fernando] > > Lars Bjørndal here > >> Agreed. We p

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Producing an audiobook is easy. Even if a company had to be hired, it wouldn't cost too much. Oh, it wouldn't be cheap, but I don't think it would be outrageously expensive either. Amazon owns Audible and ACX who produces them.

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-30 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
[Fernando] Lars Bjørndal here > Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an > instance of X with a GUI browser. With braille support? Lars > On 04/29/2017 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: > > The biggest problem that I see, with Emacspeak alone, i

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The reason that I only work within the public domain is because of the misconception that copyright monopolies are the only means by which artists and authors may be paid for their work. However, this is a myth that has been propagated since the copyright monopoly was originally decreed by the

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Oh wow, thanks. I'll be looking forward to using f123e when it's available and ready for usage! I’m probably gonna be best at proof reading documents though, since I’m very new to actually using Emacs+Emacspeak full time. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email:

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Agreed. We plan to address that by giving people the ability to open an instance of X with a GUI browser. No tool will have everything, but Linux gives us enough flexibility to make-up for the short-comings of text browsers. Fernando On 04/29/2017 11:55 AM, Linux for blind general discussio

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The biggest problem that I see, with Emacspeak alone, is web access. For now, as far as I know, that is no way to, say, browse Facebook within Emacs. Try it. Besides that, Emacs is fine for me, as a non-programmer with time to learn interfaces. -- Sent from Discordia using

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Well, I am going to try to do just that. Although the focus will not be very small children, I am hoping to help teenagers and older, together with giving them access to a Raspberry Pi computer, get into the world of Linux. Once I get started with the content side of things, I will be sure to

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yeah, it's already a challenge to keep documentation aimed at power users up to date without the added difficulty of making it comprehendible to the new user in a way that doesn't come across as condescending, but once you have the content, it's trivial to distribute it in every major document form

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Yes, it will be hard. Documentation for Linux is pretty sparse, finding stuff on accessibility is even harder. But, if it falls on my shoulders, I will try. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind ge

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thanks. btw, I think the true challenge here is actually producing the content for the book. Good quality content is not easy to collect and edit. Once that is achieved though, finding someone to publish or self-publishing it should be comparatively easy. Fernando On 04/29/2017 05:44 AM

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Thanks for the clarification about the National Braille Press. -- Sincerely, Jeffery Wright President Emeritus, Nu Nu Chapter, Phi Theta Kappa. Former Secretary, Student Government Association, College of the Albemarle. ___ Blinux-list mailing list Bl

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I don't see the full thread below, but if you're talking about the National Braille Press, they also offer books in other formats, such as text, Word and DAISY. An audio book could still be produced though. I just wanted to point out that the NBP doesn't mean just braille. -- Christopher (CJ)

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Well, there's always the NLS, lol. Or, you could try and get Learning ally on board, or even Bookshare for the Braille/Daisyey formats., -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes:

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
On a related note, is there any non-profit/government agency that deals with making audiobooks that might could be talked into converting such a ""Linux for (blind) newbies" into an audiobook? A braille edition should exist for completeness sake and because audio isn't viable for the blind deaf, bu

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
#+OPTIONS: latex:t toc:nil H:3 I'm sorry. You'll have to go to, I think, [[http://www.nbp.org][the website]] to get more information and contact them that way, or find Ana G on the eyes free email list, about Android. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Do you or anybody else here know someone at the National Braille Press? it would be interesting to talk with someone there about their criteria for taking on a new book project. Fernando On 04/29/2017 02:59 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: One idea that just popped into my mi

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
One idea that just popped into my mind is this: Make a sort of book on using Linux, and let the National Braille Press have it. After all, they worked with some one on a book for Android users too, so why not Linux as well? -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-29 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/28/2017 6:20 AM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: Now that I think about it, I have no idea what the mixture of "blind from birth/a young age" and "blinded as an adult" is on this list, and I would imagine these groups would have very different perspectives. I m

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Now that I think about it, I have no idea what the mixture of "blind from birth/a young age" and "blinded as an adult" is on this list, and I would imagine these groups would have very different perspectives. I myself was blinded in the right eye before I could form memories, but my left eye was go

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Ah crap, gotta find an accessible screen recorder! I used to use one, GTK recordmydesktop, on arch, but I’m not sure where it went. -- Sent from Discordia using Gnus for Emacs. Email: r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com Long days and pleasant nights! Linux for blind general discussion writes: > Tony

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-28 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Tony Baechler here. On 4/27/2017 3:34 PM, Linux for blind general discussion wrote: I think it's fair to say that, for Linux to ever break into the mainstream, we need mainstream PC makers and PC retailers to commit to offering machines that come pre-installed with Linux and not hide their Linux

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
"... That said, there is a machine coming that may be even better in the future, as there is talk of RISC-V, which is a fully free and open processor architecture that has the potential to be more powerful than anything we've seen up to now. I'm watching this very closely." I'd like to check

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 28/04/2017 à 01:20, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > The computers I use are ARM-based. One is based around an ARMv7 8-core > 32-bit processor, and the other is based around an aarch64, (ARMv8) > 64-bit quad-core processor. Both run from removable eMMC flash storage > has a capac

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
The computers I use are ARM-based. One is based around an ARMv7 8-core 32-bit processor, and the other is based around an aarch64, (ARMv8) 64-bit quad-core processor. Both run from removable eMMC flash storage has a capacity of 64GB on the 32-bit machine and 128GB on the 64-bit machine. Either

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
I think it's fair to say that, for Linux to ever break into the mainstream, we need mainstream PC makers and PC retailers to commit to offering machines that come pre-installed with Linux and not hide their Linux offerings where only those specifically looking for Linux will find it. Problem is, r

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Le 27/04/2017 à 22:04, Linux for blind general discussion a écrit : > According to Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: > # That is why I think we should have pre-installed Linux computers, new, > but to a typical Mac price. > > Not at all. I for one don't want to have to pay the ridiculous price of > a Mac,

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
According to Jean-Philippe MENGUAL: # That is why I think we should have pre-installed Linux computers, new, but to a typical Mac price. Not at all. I for one don't want to have to pay the ridiculous price of a Mac, and adding to the price certainly doesn't add to the value of the computer, n

Re: Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
There's a company called System76 that appears to sell computers with Ubuntu already installed. I think the URL is https://system76.com though I just used www.system76.com You should also be able to find at least laptops via the Free Software Foundation site, and on these both the hardware

Re : Re: Blind vs. mainstream distros

2017-04-27 Thread Linux for blind general discussion
Hi, Jean-Philippe MENGUAL here. The problem, I think, is that any kind of install of operating system will no fit most users who just want to consume computing. And the problem is double: 1. Pre-installed Linux computers are rarely new, but often kept from companies and repackaged, and sold low-