[Bloat] BoF @IETF-95 'Ultra-Low Queuing Delay for All' (L4S, DualQ Coupled AQM, TCP Prague)

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Täht
There are devils in the details, probably. Forwarded Message Folks, Reminder, agenda & supporting materials below for the Bar BoF on L4S / DualQ Coupled AQM / TCP Prague *Event details** *Date/time: 09:00 - 10:00 local time (ART = 12-13:00 UTC) Thu 7 Apr 2016 Room: Quebracho B

Re: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests

2016-04-06 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 7 Apr, 2016, at 05:06, jb wrote: > > But am I just looking for "ECN capable" flags originating from a given > public IP? > or am I filtering just for CE marks (11), indicating there was some > active queue management actually going on -- and only that would be > worth mentioning? The latte

Re: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests

2016-04-06 Thread jb
Regarding picking up advanced congestion management in a result, it would be possible by adding a concurrent tcpdump on each test server - running all the time and filtering for the appropriate bits. But am I just looking for "ECN capable" flags originating from a given public IP? or am I filterin

Re: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests

2016-04-06 Thread Kelvin Edmison
I think people focus on packet loss so much because the term is short, seemingly conveys a lot of info and is easy to measure. Given that know how to measure bloat, it strikes me that what is needed is a short marketing-style tag for bloat that can be put up against the term "packet loss". T

Re: [Bloat] dslreports bufferbloat tests

2016-04-06 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:19 PM, jb wrote: > I take your point regarding Quality Thx! I am not grumpy at you in particular, but at a world that continues to view packet loss as completely undesirable (I was at several ietf meetings like that yesterday, and 2 days ago the FCC's "nutrition labels fo