Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread jb
The grade for one speed test represents something that the user may already recognise as being a problem, and may do something about. The aggregation of grades can highlight ISPs that are afflicted with end-user hardware that could be improved, I suppose. Is it even possible to detect ISPs afflicte

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread Kathleen Nichols
Hi, Justin, Thanks for the explanations. So the grade is for the user not the ISP? I just have to point out that the below jumped out at me a bit. A user can fully use the link bandwidth capacity and not have an unacceptable latency. After all, that's the goal of AQM. But, yes, there are those pe

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread jb
Hi Kathleen, On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Kathleen Nichols wrote: > In-line below. Only for geeks. > > On 8/27/16 9:03 AM, Alan Jenkins wrote: > > > > That's the simplest measure of bufferbloat though :). > > Don't I know! :) Have spent a couple of years figuring out how to measure > experi

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread Alan Jenkins
On 27/08/16 20:18, Alan Jenkins wrote: On 27/08/16 18:37, Kathleen Nichols wrote: So, I ran the test while I was also streaming a Netflix video. Under the column "RTT/jitter Avg" the test lists values that range from 654 to 702 with +/- 5.2 to 20.8 ms (for the four servers). I couldn't figur

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread Alan Jenkins
On 27/08/16 18:37, Kathleen Nichols wrote: In-line below. Only for geeks. Present. On 8/27/16 9:03 AM, Alan Jenkins wrote: That's the simplest measure of bufferbloat though :). Don't I know! :) Have spent a couple of years figuring out how to measure experienced delay... Do you have a crit

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread Kathleen Nichols
In-line below. Only for geeks. On 8/27/16 9:03 AM, Alan Jenkins wrote: > > That's the simplest measure of bufferbloat though :). Don't I know! :) Have spent a couple of years figuring out how to measure experienced delay... > > Do you have a criticism in terms of dslreports.com? I think it's

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements

2016-08-27 Thread Alan Jenkins
That's the simplest measure of bufferbloat though :). Do you have a criticism in terms of dslreports.com? I think it's fairly transparent, showing idle v.s. download v.s. upload. The headline figures are an average, and you can look at all the data points. (You can increase the measurement

Re: [Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements (was: Open Source Speed Test)

2016-08-27 Thread Kathleen Nichols
Yeah. I admit to muddying the waters because I think of the size of a buffer as being in megabytes and the size of a queue (latency) as being in milliseconds. I think the tests attempt to measure the worst possible latency/queue that can occur on a path. On 8/27/16 4:46 AM, Rich Brown wrote: > I

Re: [Bloat] Open Source Speed Test (was fast.com - Netflix's speed monitoring)

2016-08-27 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 27 Aug, 2016, at 04:06, David Lang wrote: > >>> so you can call it large queues instead of large buffers, but the result >>> is that packets end up being 'in transit' for a long time. >> >> No, a large queue is a bunch of packets waiting in a queue (which is >> contained in a buffer). A l

[Bloat] Bufferbloat test measurements (was: Open Source Speed Test)

2016-08-27 Thread Rich Brown
It has always been my intent to define bufferbloat as *latency*. The first sentence on www.bufferbloat.net says, "Bufferbloat is the undesirable latency that comes from a router or other network equipment buffering too much data." That definition focuses on observable/measurable values. It sides

Re: [Bloat] [rmcat] webrtc vs aqm and/or sfq

2016-08-27 Thread Ingemar Johansson S
Hi For what it is worth, ECN handling is described for SCReAM since a while back. It is however not yet implemented in the code at (https://github.com/EricssonResearch/scream ), this is however a quite easy task to do and if the interest in SCReAM picks up then I am happy to spend the 2-3 hour