Re: [Bloat] Steam In Home Streaming on ath9k wifi

2017-12-03 Thread Caleb Cushing
So I was going to upload a couple of very large wireshark dumps, but then I looked at something again and realized I was reading one of steam's poorly documented performance metrics wrong. It appears that more often than not now, my problem is actually host or client side on the cpu/encoding, so my

[Bloat] DC behaviors today

2017-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
Changing the topic, adding bloat. Joel Wirāmu Pauling writes: > Just from a Telco/Industry perspective slant. > > Everything in DC has moved to SFP28 interfaces at 25Gbit as the server > port of interconnect. Everything TOR wise is now QSFP28 - 100Gbit. > Mellanox X5 cards are the current hotne

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
Jan Ceuleers writes: > On 03/12/17 11:35, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> I'm lost here. What exact problem is the ACK hack supposed to work >> around? Ridiculous amount of asymmetry in the last-hop WiFi link, or >> outrageous amounts of asymmetry in a transit link beyond the last hop? > > My unde

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Dave Taht
On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Sebastian Moeller wrote: > > > On December 3, 2017 8:54:40 PM GMT+01:00, Juliusz Chroboczek > wrote: >>> Many would kill for a 10:1 DOCSIS connection. 50:1 is not rare, and I >>> have personally been subscribed to a near 100:1 service. >> >>Some people should not

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Sebastian Moeller
On December 3, 2017 8:54:40 PM GMT+01:00, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >> Many would kill for a 10:1 DOCSIS connection. 50:1 is not rare, and I >> have personally been subscribed to a near 100:1 service. > >Some people should not be allowed to design networks. > >> The DOCSIS shaper deals with eth

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> Many would kill for a 10:1 DOCSIS connection. 50:1 is not rare, and I > have personally been subscribed to a near 100:1 service. Some people should not be allowed to design networks. > The DOCSIS shaper deals with ethernet frames so 58 / 1518 bytes. Could you please point me to details of the

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> I can buy 300/10 megabit/s access from my cable provider. Don't! > If I understand correctly, DOCSIS has ~1ms sending opportunities > upstream. So sending more than 1kPPS of ACKs is meaningless, as these ACKs > will just come back to back at wire-speed as the CMTS receives them from > the modem

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Bob McMahon
My understanding per the thread is a last hop wifi link. I could be wrong though. Bob On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:35 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > > It might be preferred to modify EDCA parameters to reduce media access > > latencies for TCP acks rather than spoof them. > > I'm lost here. What

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Robert Bradley
On 03/12/2017 13:57, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > A TCP Ack is 40 bytes. A data packet is up to 1500 bytes. > > As far as I know, DOCSIS has an asymmetry factor that is between 4 and 10, > depending on the deployment. With worst case asymmetry being 10, this > means that you can send an Ack for e

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Ryan Mounce
On 4 December 2017 at 00:27, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >>> I'm lost here. What exact problem is the ACK hack supposed to work >>> around? Ridiculous amount of asymmetry in the last-hop WiFi link, or >>> outrageous amounts of asymmetry in a transit link beyond the last hop? > >> My understanding

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: As far as I know, DOCSIS has an asymmetry factor that is between 4 and 10, depending on the deployment. With worst case asymmetry being 10, this I can buy 300/10 megabit/s access from my cable provider. So that's a lot worse. My cable box has 16

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> I'm lost here. What exact problem is the ACK hack supposed to work >> around? Ridiculous amount of asymmetry in the last-hop WiFi link, or >> outrageous amounts of asymmetry in a transit link beyond the last hop? > My understanding is that the issue that gave rise to this discussion was > con

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 03/12/17 11:35, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: > I'm lost here. What exact problem is the ACK hack supposed to work > around? Ridiculous amount of asymmetry in the last-hop WiFi link, or > outrageous amounts of asymmetry in a transit link beyond the last hop? My understanding is that the issue tha

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] benefits of ack filtering

2017-12-03 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> It might be preferred to modify EDCA parameters to reduce media access > latencies for TCP acks rather than spoof them. I'm lost here. What exact problem is the ACK hack supposed to work around? Ridiculous amount of asymmetry in the last-hop WiFi link, or outrageous amounts of asymmetry in a t