Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 2:47 PM David Collier-Brown wrote: > This is not an initiative I know about, but it mentions Reno and it's > inability to use SACK, so it sounds at first hearing to be another dumb > gamer thing. Opinions, anyone? > Pure guess: They are not trying to solve the problem of

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

> On 3 Apr, 2018, at 2:54 pm, Jesper Louis Andersen > wrote: > > Apart from that, it seems like a lot of things are being done correctly. I > *much* prefer a message-based protocol where packets use protobufs in many > scenarios over a stream-oriented protocol. The former forces people to > p

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Jonathan Morton wrote: notwithstanding). In the end, people have kept reinventing "reliable datagram" protocols on top of UDP, whenever they ran up against requirements that TCP didn't fulfil. Yes, for multiple reasons. TCP is ossified and typically lives in the OS, beca

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

please, please, people, take a look at the ietf taps (“transport services”) working group :-) Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Apr 2018, at 14:35, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2018, Jonathan Morton wrote: >> >> notwithstanding). In the end, people have kept reinventing "reliable

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:27 PM Michael Welzl wrote: > please, please, people, take a look at the ietf taps (“transport > services”) working group :-) > > I tried looking it up. It seems the TAPS WG is about building a consistent interface to different protocols in order to get a new interface ra

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Jesper Louis Andersen < jesper.louis.ander...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:27 PM Michael Welzl wrote: > >> please, please, people, take a look at the ietf taps (“transport >> services”) working group :-) >> >> > I tried looking it up. It seems the

Re: [Bloat] Seen in passing: mention of Valve's networking scheme and RFC 5348

> On Apr 3, 2018, at 4:48 PM, Jesper Louis Andersen > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 4:27 PM Michael Welzl > wrote: > please, please, people, take a look at the ietf taps (“transport services”) > working group :-) > > > I tried looking it up. It seems the TAPS