Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] intel gives up on home gateways

2020-04-28 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Good riddance; most of the current platforms are using Lantiq Wireless which they got from some acquizition/cross-licence deal and are poorly documented at worst and completely innoperable. I doubt this will impact any of their Industrial IO and Edge stuff which is actually good and anyone sensibl

Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Sebastian Moeller
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 21:26, Gorry Fairhurst wrote: > > This seems all interesting, but isn't this true of any network technology. If > I use a UDP app with my own style of CC I can just take all the capacity if I > want. > > A solution could be to apply a circuit-breaker/policer in the netw

Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 28 Apr, 2020, at 10:43 pm, Black, David wrote: > > And I also noted this at the end of the meeting: “queue protection that > might apply the disincentive” > > That would send cheaters to the L4S conventional queue along with all the > other queue-building traffic. Alas, we have not yet

Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Black, David
And I also noted this at the end of the meeting: “queue protection that might apply the disincentive” That would send cheaters to the L4S conventional queue along with all the other queue-building traffic. Thanks, --David From: tsvwg On Behalf Of Luca Muscariello Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 202

Re: [Bloat] intel gives up on home gateways

2020-04-28 Thread Stephen Hemminger
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 09:57:26 -0700 Dave Taht wrote: > H/T sebastian: > > https://investors.maxlinear.com/press-releases/detail/395/maxlinear-to-acquire-intels-home-gateway-platform > > Gawd knows what this means. > It means somebody is getting a bonus, and somebody is out of a job ___

Re: [Bloat] [tsvwg] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Luca Muscariello
The link is that the L queue starves the other queue, and indeed the envisaged queue protection mechanism is supposed to react to that behavior by black-listing the misbehaving sender. This would be the third coupled component in L4S (the senders, the AQM and the policer). Which is currently non-ma

Re: [Bloat] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Luca Muscariello
Hi Jake, Thanks for the notes. Very useful. The other issue with the meeting was that the virtual mic queue control channel was the WebEx Meeting chat that does not exist in WebEx Teams. So, I had to switch to Meetings and lost some pieces of the discussion. Yes there might be a terminology diffe

Re: [Bloat] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Holland, Jake via Bloat
--- Begin Message --- Hi Luca, To your point about the discussion being difficult to follow: I tried to capture the intent of everyone who commented while taking notes: https://etherpad.ietf.org:9009/p/notes-ietf-interim-2020-tsvwg-03 I think this was intended to take the place of a need for eve

[Bloat] intel gives up on home gateways

2020-04-28 Thread Dave Taht
H/T sebastian: https://investors.maxlinear.com/press-releases/detail/395/maxlinear-to-acquire-intels-home-gateway-platform Gawd knows what this means. -- Make Music, Not War Dave Täht CTO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-831-435-0729 ___

Re: [Bloat] my backlogged comments on the ECT(1) interim call

2020-04-28 Thread Luca Muscariello
Hi Dave and list members, It was difficult to follow the discussion at the meeting yesterday. Who said what in the first place. There have been a lot of non-technical comments such as: this solution is better than another in my opinion. "better" has often been used as when evaluating the taste o