[Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread David P. Reed
So, what do you think the latency (including bloat in the satellites) will be? My guess is > 2000 msec, based on the experience with Apple on ATT Wireless back when it was rolled out (at 10 am, in each of 5 cities I tested, repeatedly with smokeping, for 24 hour periods, the ATT Wireless access

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 11 Jun, 2020, at 7:03 pm, David P. Reed wrote: > > So, what do you think the latency (including bloat in the satellites) will > be? My guess is > 2000 msec, based on the experience with Apple on ATT > Wireless back when it was rolled out (at 10 am, in each of 5 cities I tested, > repeated

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread David P. Reed
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:14pm, "Jonathan Morton" said: > > On 11 Jun, 2020, at 7:03 pm, David P. Reed > wrote: > > > > So, what do you think the latency (including bloat in the satellites) will > be? My guess is > 2000 msec, based on the experience with Apple on ATT > Wireless > back w

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, David P. Reed wrote: But I doubt that is where they are going. Instead, I suspect they haven't thought about anything other than a packet at a time, with no thought to reporting congestion by drops or ECN. And it's super easy to build up seconds of lag on TCP if you don't

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread David P. Reed
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:56pm, "David Lang" said: > We will see, but since the answer to satellite-satellite communication being > the > bottleneck is to launch more satellites, this boils down to investment vs > service quality. Since they are making a big deal about the latency, I exp

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-11 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, David P. Reed wrote: On Thursday, June 11, 2020 2:56pm, "David Lang" said: We will see, but since the answer to satellite-satellite communication being the bottleneck is to launch more satellites, this boils down to investment vs service quality. Since they are making a

Re: [Bloat] random window into other people's latency experience

2020-06-11 Thread Chris Wedgwood via Bloat
--- Begin Message --- the graph/bitmap it creates is actually quite terse but also useful at the same time how often does it probe? (i'm curious about the number of data-points per pixel) --- End Message --- ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloa