Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Dave Collier-Brown
"lag" is often understood by non-technical folks, as in "the lag between the time you step on the gas and the time the car actually speeds up". Some folks who've been exposed to video enough will know about "lag and jitter" (;-)) --dave On 2021-05-12 11:50 a.m., Ingemar Johansson S via Bloat

Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Michael Richardson
Dave Taht wrote: > On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson > wrote: >> >> The part I'd like to simplify is "latency" Most people can >> understand that the hot water tap doesn't produce hot water instantly, >> but I don't know how leverage that experience

Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Dave Taht
On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Michael Richardson wrote: > > The part I'd like to simplify is "latency" > Most people can understand that the hot water tap doesn't produce hot water > instantly, but I don't know how leverage that experience to networking > directly. > Idle and Working are go

Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Michael Richardson
The part I'd like to simplify is "latency" Most people can understand that the hot water tap doesn't produce hot water instantly, but I don't know how leverage that experience to networking directly. Idle and Working are good. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 m

Re: [Bloat] Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Ingemar Johansson S via Bloat
Hi Yes. "Idle latency" and "Working latency" make sense. Note however that if you think of idle latency as sparse ping, then these sparse ping can give unreasonably high values over cellular access (4G/5G). The reason is here mainly DRX which is a battery saving function in mobile devices. Mo

[Bloat] Fwd: NANOG Hackathon Alumnus june 12-13

2021-05-12 Thread Dave Taht
I would really like to document how to correctly configure AFD, WRED to whatever extent is actually possible on high end gear like this. Also exploring the l4s classifiers, and whatever else bloat related on a switch that can be tuned. Anyone up for nanog? -- Forwarded message - Fr

Re: [Bloat] [EXTERNAL] Re: Terminology for Laypeople

2021-05-12 Thread Livingood, Jason via Bloat
Yes, he is the colleague to whom I referred. ;-) Anyway – appreciate all the input as I try out some new terminology on laypeople. So far working latency seems to be more comprehensible for folks but we shall see. JL From: Greg White Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 at 5:26 PM To: Jonathan Foulkes