Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] Airbnb

2021-08-09 Thread Matt Mathis via Bloat
I am part of the M-Lab team. For years we published a "jitter" metric that I considered to be bogus, basically max_rtt - min_rtt, (which were builtin Web100 instruments). In 2019, we transitioned from web100 to "standard" linux tcp_info, which does not capture max_rtt. Since the web100 jitter w

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] Airbnb

2021-08-09 Thread Dave Collier-Brown
Knowing programmers, I'd more likely assume latency when it's easiest to measure. At a guess, either * average of upload or download * average of download (as it comes first) --dave (call me "Wally" (:-)) c-b On 2021-08-09 4:24 p.m., Jonathan Morton wrote: On 9 Aug, 2021, at 10:25 pm,

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] Airbnb

2021-08-09 Thread Jonathan Morton
> On 9 Aug, 2021, at 10:25 pm, Dave Collier-Brown > wrote: > > My run of it reported latency, but without any qualifiers... One would reasonable assume that's idle latency, then. - Jonathan Morton ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net h

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] Airbnb

2021-08-09 Thread Dave Collier-Brown
Does anyone here know M-Labs, which Airbnb uses? They self-describe thusly, "In 2008, Vint Cerf, one of the “fathers of the Internet,” began a series of conversations with Internet researchers... [about] understanding their Internet performance over time. As a result of these conversations, M-

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] Airbnb

2021-08-09 Thread oesh--- via Bloat
It’s a step forward. > On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Dave Taht via Rpm > wrote: > > > Airbnb internet metric: > > -- Forwarded message - > From: Simon Barber (sibarber) mailto:sibar...@cisco.com>> > Date: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM > Subject: Airbnb > To: dave.t...@gmail.com

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-09 Thread Dick Roy
_ From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Bob McMahon Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 6:24 PM To: Leonard Kleinrock Cc: starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net; Make-Wifi-fast; Cake List; co...@lists.bufferbloat.net; cerowrt-devel; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-09 Thread Dick Roy
_ From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Bob McMahon Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 8:23 PM To: David Lang Cc: starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net; Make-Wifi-fast; Cake List; co...@lists.bufferbloat.net; cerowrt-devel; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Cake

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-09 Thread Dick Roy
-Original Message- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of David Lang Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 9:31 PM To: Bob McMahon Cc: starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net; Make-Wifi-fast; Cake List; co...@lists.bufferbloat.net; cerowrt-devel; bloat Subject: Re: [Sta

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Cake] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cerowrt-devel] Due Aug 2: Internet Quality workshop CFP for the internet architecture board

2021-08-09 Thread Dick Roy
-Original Message- From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Leonard Kleinrock Sent: Monday, August 2, 2021 5:38 PM To: David Lang Cc: starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net; Make-Wifi-fast; Bob McMahon; Cake List; co...@lists.bufferbloat.net; cerowrt-devel; bloat