Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 21:09, rjmcmahon wrote: > > Iperf 2 is designed to measure network i/o. Note: It doesn't have to move > large amounts of data. It can support data profiles that don't drive TCP's > CCA as an example. > > Two things I've been asked for and avoided: > > 1) Integr

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi RR, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 22:46, Dick Roy wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of > Sebastian Moeller via Starlink > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 12:01 PM > To: Rodney W. Grimes > Cc: Dave Taht via Star

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2023-01-12 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
Either starlink has vastly improved, or the test is way off in this case. ___ Bloat mailing list Bloat@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/bloat

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2023-01-12 Thread MORTON JR., AL via Bloat
Dave and Luis, Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat compression? UDPST has a CLI option: (m)-X Randomize datagram payload (else zeroes) When I used this option testing shipboard satellite access, download was about 115kbps. Al > -Original

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Robert McMahon via Bloat
Hi Sebastien, ⁣You make a good point. What I did was issue a warning if the tool found it was being CPU limited vs i/o limited. This indicates the i/o test likely is inaccurate from an i/o perspective, and the results are suspect. It does this crudely by comparing the cpu thread doing stats aga

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
For WiFi there is the TSF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timing_synchronization_function We in test & measurement use that in our internal telemetry. The TSF of a Wifi device only needs frequency-sync for some things typically related to access to the medium. A phase locked loop does it. A devi

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
Hi Sebastian (et. al.), [I'll comment up here instead of inline.] Let me start by saying that I have not been intimately involved with the IEEE 1588 effort (PTP), however I was involved in the 802.11 efforts along a similar vein, just adding the wireless first hop component and it's effec

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
-Original Message- From: rjmcmahon [mailto:rjmcma...@rjmcmahon.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 10:03 AM To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Dick Roy; Rodney W. Grimes; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. Reed; Rpm; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Pro

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
FYI . https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/cbrs-based-fwa-beats-starlink-performanc e-madden Nothing earth-shaking :-) RR _ From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Robert McMahon via Starlink Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 9:50 AM To: Seba

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2023-01-12 Thread Luis A. Cornejo via Bloat
Al, I am not aware of the payload generation. -Luis On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 11:43 AM MORTON JR., AL wrote: > Dave and Luis, > > Do you know if any of these tools are using ~random payloads, to defeat > compression? > > UDPST has a CLI option: > (m)-X Randomize datagram payload (e

Re: [Bloat] [Rpm] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] the grinch meets cloudflare'schristmas present

2023-01-12 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 7:30 PM Luis A. Cornejo wrote: > > Well Reddit has many posts talking about noticeable performance increases for > Starlink. Here is a primetime run: > > waveform: > https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=333f97c7-7cbd-406c-8d9a-9f850cb5de7d That is unquestion

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi RR, Thanks for the detailed response below, since my point is somewhat orthogonal I opted for top-posting. Let me take a step back here and rephrase, synchronising clocks within an acceptable range to be useful is not rocket science nor witchcraft. For measuring internet traffic 'millisecond

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
Hi RR, I believe quality GPS chips compensate for relativity in pulse per second which is needed to get position accuracy. Bob Hi Sebastian (et. al.), [I'll comment up here instead of inline.] Let me start by saying that I have not been intimately involved with the IEEE 1588 effort (PTP), h

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi RR On 12 January 2023 22:57:32 CET, Dick Roy wrote: >FYI . > > > >https://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/cbrs-based-fwa-beats-starlink-performanc >e-madden > [SM] He is so close: 'Speed tests don’t tell us much about the capacity of the network, or the reliability of the network, or the true l