Re: [Bloat] the future belongs to pacing

2020-07-06 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Matt and Jamshid, On 04.07.20 at 19:29 Matt Mathis via Bloat wrote: > Key takeaway: pacing is inevitable, because it saves large content > providers money (more efficient use of the most expensive silicon in > the data center, the switch buffer memory), however to use pacing we > walk away

Re: [Bloat] FW: [Dewayne-Net] Ajit Pai caves to SpaceX but is still skeptical of Musk's latency claims

2020-06-14 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Jonathan. On 11.06.20 at 18:14 Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 11 Jun, 2020, at 7:03 pm, David P. Reed wrote: >> >> So, what do you think the latency (including bloat in the satellites) will >> be? My guess is > 2000 msec, based on the experience with Apple on ATT >> Wireless back when it was

Re: [Bloat] codel and dpdk

2020-03-20 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 19.03.20 at 23:12 Dave Taht wrote: > This git repository seems to have codel and pie in it for dpdk and also GSP. > https://git.scc.kit.edu/TM/DPDK_AQM_Switch > > That appears to have not been upstreamed into the main dpdk repo. Does > anyone know of a later/greater version? No,

Re: [Bloat] BBR high RTT unfairness: Fifty Shades of Congestion Control: A Performance and Interactions Evaluation

2019-05-31 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 30.05.19 at 15:38 Dave Taht wrote: > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 4:31 AM Roland Bless wrote: >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> On 29.05.19 at 17:05 Dave Taht wrote: >>> I have been trying to work through this paper: >>> https://arxiv.org/pdf/1903.03852.pdf

Re: [Bloat] BBR high RTT unfairness: Fifty Shades of Congestion Control: A Performance and Interactions Evaluation

2019-05-30 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 29.05.19 at 17:05 Dave Taht wrote: > I have been trying to work through this paper: > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1903.03852.pdf > which is enormous and well worth reading. > > I have a theory, though, about TABLE XII, which contrasts four BBR > flows at different RTTs, in that BBRv1's

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

2019-03-23 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Michael, thanks for the pointer. Looking forward to the talk... Regards Roland On 23.03.19 at 18:48 Michael Welzl wrote: > Hi, > > I’ll do what academics do and add our own data point, below: > >> On Mar 23, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Roland Bless > <mailto:roland.bl...@k

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

2019-03-23 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Jonathan, On 23.03.19 at 16:03 Jonathan Morton wrote: >> On 23 Mar, 2019, at 11:02 am, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Roland Bless wrote: >> >>> I suggest to use an additional DSCP to mark L4S packets. >> >> DSCP doesn't wo

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

2019-03-23 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Mikael, On 23.03.19 at 18:16 Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Roland Bless wrote: > >> It's true that DSCPs may be remarked, but RFC 2474 >> already stated >> >>   Packets received with an unrecognized codepoint SHOULD be forwarded >>   as

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

2019-03-23 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Mikael, On 23.03.19 at 11:02 Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Roland Bless wrote: > >> I suggest to use an additional DSCP to mark L4S packets. > > DSCP doesn't work end-to-end on the Internet, so what you're suggesting > isn't a workable solution. It'

Re: [Bloat] [Ecn-sane] [iccrg] Fwd: [tcpPrague] Implementation and experimentation of TCP Prague/L4S hackaton at IETF104

2019-03-23 Thread Roland Bless
Hi, On 22.03.19 at 19:28 Victor Hou wrote: > Broadcom has been deeply involved in developing the Low Latency DOCSIS > cable industry specification that Bob Briscoe mentioned.  We concur with > the L4S use of ECT(1).  L4S can be implemented either in a dual-queue or > an fq implementation. SCE

Re: [Bloat] when does the CoDel part of fq_codel help in the real world?

2018-11-27 Thread Roland Bless
Hi, On 27.11.18 at 23:19 Luca Muscariello wrote: > I suggest re-reading this  > > https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=3022184 Probably not without this afterwards: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8117540 (especially sections II and III). Regards, Roland

Re: [Bloat] when does the CoDel part of fq_codel help in the real world?

2018-11-27 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Kathie, [long time, no see :-)] I'm well aware of the CoDel paper and it really does a nice job of explaining the good queue and bad queue properties. What we found is that loss-based TCP CCs systematically build standing queues. Their positive function is to keep up the link utilization,

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-10 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 11.05.2011 05:32, Dave Taht wrote: 1) in a wireshark analysis, the %interface part is lost But your wireshark is listening on some specific interface, isn't it? This interface is your context then and link locals are unique on that particular link (which is assured by Duplicate

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 09.05.2011 05:26, Dave Taht wrote: I am modestly stumped as to how to solve this properly. I think it's been causing problems with ipv6 for a long time, but I could be wrong. see http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/126 Basically although the underlying interfaces do have unique