Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] better business bufferbloat monitoring tools?

2015-05-14 Thread dpreed
Tools, tools, tools. Make it trivially easy to capture packets in the home (don't require cerowrt, for obvious reasons). For example, an iPhone app that does a tcpdump and sends it to us would be fantastic to diagnose "make wifi fast" issues and also bufferbloat issues. Give feedback that is

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] better business bufferbloat monitoring tools?

2015-05-13 Thread Jim Gettys
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Bill Ver Steeg (versteb) wrote: > Time scales are important. Any time you use TCP to send a moderately large > file, you drive the link into congestion. Sometimes this is for a few > milliseconds per hour and sometimes this is for 10s of minutes per hour. > > For

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] better business bufferbloat monitoring tools?

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Jones
On 05/12/2015 04:13 PM, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:17:34PM -0700, David Lang wrote: I always set my graphs for 1 min samples (and am very tempted to go shorter) just because 5 min hides so much. Just be aware that there are many devices (in particular switches) that

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] better business bufferbloat monitoring tools?

2015-05-12 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 03:17:34PM -0700, David Lang wrote: > I always set my graphs for 1 min samples (and am very tempted to go shorter) > just because 5 min hides so much. Just be aware that there are many devices (in particular switches) that only update SNMP counters now and then (say, every

Re: [Bloat] [Cerowrt-devel] better business bufferbloat monitoring tools?

2015-05-12 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 12 May 2015, Dave Taht wrote: One thread bothering me on dslreports.com is that some folk seem to think you only get bufferbloat if you stress test the network, where transient bufferbloat is happening all the time, everywhere. On one of my main sqm'd network gateways, day in, day out,