Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-11 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
Graphs are on the todo list but not a high priority. Too many different ways to graph, e.g. gnuplot, matplotlib. Also, if one wants full features including one way delays (OWD,) the GPS & pulse per second is useful. A GPS hat on a raspberry pi

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-11 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, Sweet, thanks! Will go and set this up in my home network, but that will take a while. Also any proposal how to convert the output into some graphs by any chance? Regards Sebastian On 11 October 2022 18:58:05 CEST, Bob McMahon wrote: >> Saturate a link in both directions simul

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-11 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
> Saturate a link in both directions simultaneously with multiple greedy flows while measuring load-dependent latency changes for small isochronous probe flows. This functionality is released in iperf 2.1.8 per the bounceback feature but, unfortunately, OpenWRT doesn't maintain iperf 2 as a packag

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-11 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, On 11 October 2022 02:05:40 CEST, Bob McMahon wrote: >It's too big because it's oversized so it's in the size domain. It's >basically Little's law's value for the number of items in a queue. > >*Number of items in the system = (the rate items enter and leave the >system) x (the average am

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-10 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, On 10 October 2022 18:45:31 CEST, Bob McMahon wrote: >I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in that >bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement in >time units. The first design flaw is a queue that is too big. [SM] I tend to desc

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-10 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
It's too big because it's oversized so it's in the size domain. It's basically Little's law's value for the number of items in a queue. *Number of items in the system = (the rate items enter and leave the system) x (the average amount of time items spend in the system)* Which gets driven to the

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-10 Thread David Lang via Bloat
On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Bob McMahon via Bloat wrote: I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in that bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement in time units. The first design flaw is a queue that is too big. This youtube video analogy doesn't h

Re: [Bloat] [Make-wifi-fast] [Cake] The most wonderful video ever about bufferbloat

2022-10-10 Thread Bob McMahon via Bloat
I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in that bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement in time units. The first design flaw is a queue that is too big. This youtube video analogy doesn't help one understand this important point. Another sub