Re: [Bloat] [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

2023-12-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Frantisek, > On Dec 11, 2023, at 20:33, Frantisek Borsik > wrote: > > Hello Sebastian, > > So you have shared that "L$S bible" :-) I even have some sympathy for his stance, by all means, flow rate fairness is rarely optimal and with sufficient information it seems almost

Re: [Bloat] [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

2023-12-11 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Bloat
Hello Sebastian, So you have shared that "L$S bible" :-) with the bloat list and I do believe that even people at NN list should read it: https://pbg.cs.illinois.edu/courses/cs598fa09/readings/b07.pdf Heck, everyone in the field should read it. Food for thought, certainly. *Btw,

Re: [Bloat] [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

2023-12-11 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Frantisek, still keeping NNagain off-list, no need to infect yet another list with my L4S aversion ;) > On Dec 11, 2023, at 11:18, Frantisek Borsik > wrote: > > …and I’m adding NN again, because: > > No matter which evil end game is actually the one, it will create a quite a > havoc.

Re: [Bloat] [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

2023-12-11 Thread Frantisek Borsik via Bloat
…and I’m adding NN again, because: No matter which evil end game is actually the one, it will create a quite a havoc. Seeing, for example Netflix, participating in L4S trail (they said it was for their cloud gaming, while at IETF 118) is in my mind the same like seeing a capitalist, an

Re: [Bloat] [NNagain] The Verge: The quiet plan to make the internet feel faster

2023-12-11 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Frantisek, steering this to the bloat list, as I have a hunch my response might not be appropriate for the wide audience in NNagain even though this can have NN ramifications. > On Dec 11, 2023, at 10:50, Frantisek Borsik via Nnagain > wrote: > > Top story on HN: > >