Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson via Bloat
{lots of lists on the CC} The problem I have with lorawan is that it's too small for anything but the smallest sensors. When it breaks (due to infant death or just vanadalism) who is going to notice enough to fix it? My belief is that people won't break things that they like/depend upon. Or at

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread David Lang via Bloat
if you want another example of the failure, look at any conference center, they have a small number of APs with wide coverage. It works well when the place is empty and they walk around and test it, but when it fills up with users, the entire network collapses. Part of this is that wifi was re

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
Agreed, AQM is like an emergency brake. Go ahead and keep it but hope to never need to use it. Bob Hi Bob, I like your design sketch and the ideas behind it. On Mar 15, 2023, at 18:32, rjmcmahon via Bloat wrote: The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, I like your design sketch and the ideas behind it. > On Mar 15, 2023, at 18:32, rjmcmahon via Bloat > wrote: > > The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low > power (VLP) modes. The pluggable transceiver could be color coded to a > chanspec, then the f

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread dan via Bloat
Trying to do all of what is currently wanted with 1 AP in a house is a huge part of the current problems with WiFi networks. MOAR power to try to overcome attenuation and reflections from walls so more power bleeds into the next home/suite/apartment etc. In the MSP space it's been rapidly moving

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
The 6G is a contiguous 1200MhZ. It has low power indoor (LPI) and very low power (VLP) modes. The pluggable transceiver could be color coded to a chanspec, then the four color map problem can be used by installers per those chanspecs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem There is n

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-14 Thread Bruce Perens via Bloat
On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 5:11 PM Robert McMahon wrote: > the AP needs to blast a CTS so every other possible conversation has to > halt. > The wireless network is not a bus. This still ignores the hidden transmitter problem because there is a similar network in the next room. _

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-14 Thread Robert McMahon via Bloat
This isn't last mile nor mesh. It's last meters. The AP/STA power asymmetry shows that a low power STA can reach an AP, but the AP needs to blast a CTS so every other possible conversation has to halt. It's like a person in a large conference room where one person with a megaphone is yelling to

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [LibreQoS] [Rpm] On FiWi

2023-03-14 Thread Bruce Perens via Bloat
Let's remember some of the reasons why a lot of wireless-last-mile and mesh networking plans have failed to date. Most people who hand-wave about wireless _still_ don't understand Fresnel zones. Most don't account for the possibility of multipath. Or the hidden transmitter problem. Or absorption.