Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

2023-10-05 Thread Dave Taht via Bloat
Can we please move this discussion off and *only to* the new nnagain mailing list? This will be my last cross post. I also agree strongly with nagle in that flow queuing is least pessimal.I also do not think we have a universally agreed upon definition of it. Mine has been: "When a flow's

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

2023-10-01 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Dave, I really like this argument by John Nagle. It is IMHO complementary (and stronger) to what keep arguing, that far queueing is not most optimal but least pessimal (and close to the best an intermediary node can do with the limited information at hand, anything else needs additional

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

2023-09-28 Thread Livingood, Jason via Bloat
On 9/28/23, 12:45, "Starlink on behalf of Dave Taht via Starlink" mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net> on behalf of starl...@lists.bufferbloat.net > wrote: > It would be nice, if as a (dis)organisation... the bufferbloat team could focus on

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

2023-09-28 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Gert, > On Sep 28, 2023, at 09:33, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 09:14:27AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller wrote: >> [SM] Has Vodafone started using IPv6 for their DSL-users yet*? About >> the content that is an interesting question, I will try to measure in my

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] net neutrality back in the news

2023-09-28 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Gert, > On Sep 28, 2023, at 08:36, Gert Doering wrote: > > Hi, > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 08:25:31AM +0200, Sebastian Moeller via Starlink > wrote: >> ***) Strictly speaking IPv6 is required, since "internet access" >> is defined as reaching all of the internet (as far as in the ISPs >>