Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-11-13 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > For higher end platforms, for instance all cisco CPU based routers (for some > value of "all") can be configured with RED, fair-queue or similar, but they > come with FIFO as default. This has been the same way since at least the mid >

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-11-04 Thread Bob Briscoe
Curtis & all, At 17:07 14/10/2013, Curtis Villamizar wrote: In enterprise and data center there is also very good control over what equipment is used and how it is used. However, clue density decreases exponentially farther from the core and approaches zero in some data centers and in some ente

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-10-15 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 10/14/2013 1:07 PM, Curtis Villamizar wrote: > So my first question to the AQM WG is "what is the scope of AQM WG > work in terms of where in the network this WG wants to focus?" If the > answer to that question is "everywhere", then we have to be aware that > conditions in core and conditions

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-10-08 Thread Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid)
Naeem, If you look into the document I initially sent http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/ssaroiu/publications/imc/2007/imc2007-dischinger.pdf They show that 26% of DSL lines have RED actually deployed - and tuned on! They did not detect any RED on the cable side. -Shahid. __

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-29 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013, Bob Briscoe wrote: The shallow marking threshold certainly keeps standing queuing delay low. However, that's only under long-running constant conditions. During dynamics, not waiting a few hundred msec to respond to a change in the queue is what keeps the queuing delay pre

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-28 Thread Bob Briscoe
Mikael, The shallow marking theshold is not the most significant feature of the AQM in DCTCP. More importantly, it does not delay congestion signals by averaging them over a period equivalent to a worst-case RTT (about 100ms), like all other AQMs do (RED, PIE, CoDel etc). The shallow marking

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-25 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) wrote: Please see below examples of support for RED/WRED from switches (from ALU and Cisco websites, search for RED or WRED in document): I'd venture to claim that putting RED on a device with a few milliseconds worth of buffer depth is pretty muc

Re: [Bloat] [aqm] [iccrg] AQM deployment status?

2013-09-25 Thread Naeem Khademi
Thanks Shahid Although interesting to know that (W)RED has made it into some hardware (in your RE to Lars' point), my question is more about "deployment" at the edge or the core, whether it's being used or not? Cheers, Naeem On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Akhtar, Shahid (Shahid) < shahid.akh.