Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-20 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 21 Mar, 2011, at 12:18 am, da...@lang.hm wrote: 0) Buffering more than 1 second of data is always unacceptable. what about satellite links? my understanding is that the four round trips to geosync orbit (request up, down, reply up down) result in approximatly 1 sec round trip. That

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-20 Thread grenville armitage
On 03/21/2011 09:50, Dave Täht wrote: [..] We're not testing interplanetary networks here, (rather, an artificially induced one extending out well beyond the moon!) but it bears a little thinking about. Perhaps an idea for presenting bufferbloat visually? Draw a picture of the space

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-20 Thread Jonathan Morton
On 21 Mar, 2011, at 12:50 am, Dave Täht wrote: 0) Buffering more than 1 second of data is always unacceptable. Well, in the case of the DTN, it's required. We're not testing interplanetary networks here, (rather, an artificially induced one extending out well beyond the moon!) but it

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-20 Thread Wesley Eddy
On 3/20/2011 9:28 PM, da...@lang.hm wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Jonathan Morton wrote: On 21 Mar, 2011, at 12:18 am, da...@lang.hm wrote: 0) Buffering more than 1 second of data is always unacceptable. what about satellite links? my understanding is that the four round trips to geosync

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-17 Thread Fred Baker
On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:05 AM, Fred Baker wrote: I'm very much in favor of ECN, which in all of the tests I have done has proven very effective at limiting queues to the knee. I'm also in favor of delay-based TCPs like CalTech FAST and the Hamilton and CAIA models; FAST tunes to having a

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-16 Thread Richard Scheffenegger
Heretical question: Why must the congestion notification implemented as a (distributed) function of the network itself, and take the reaction of the end hosts into consideration. If the signaling would only indicate the local congestion state, but then move the reaction to that into the end

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-16 Thread richard
On Wed, 2011-03-16 at 23:22 +0100, Richard Scheffenegger wrote: Heretical question: Why must the congestion notification implemented as a (distributed) function of the network itself, and take the reaction of the end hosts into consideration. If the signaling would only indicate the local

Re: [Bloat] Random idea in reaction to all the discussion of TCPflavours - timestamps?

2011-03-16 Thread Rick Jones
Furthermore, I learned that a couple of 10G switch vendors are planning to have up to 4 GB of buffer RAM in their next generation of switches. So we are not talking about thousands of packets in the buffer, but of millions of packets (think of up to 400ms buffering if only a single