Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-11 Thread Rick Jones
On Wed, 2011-05-11 at 07:46 -0600, Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Roland Bless > wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On 11.05.2011 05:32, Dave Taht wrote: > > 1) in a wireshark analysis, the %interface part is lost > > > But

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-11 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Roland Bless wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On 11.05.2011 05:32, Dave Taht wrote: > > 1) in a wireshark analysis, the %interface part is lost > > But your wireshark is listening on some specific interface, > isn't it? No. It is listening on the wildcard interface. Of wh

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-10 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 11.05.2011 05:32, Dave Taht wrote: > 1) in a wireshark analysis, the %interface part is lost But your wireshark is listening on some specific interface, isn't it? This interface is your context then and link locals are unique on that particular link (which is assured by Duplicate Addr

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-10 Thread Dave Taht
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Jeremy Visser wrote: > Dave Taht said: > > the bridged to a vlan fe80:: addresses are all the same. This strikes me > > as a problem. > > You never reference link-local address by themselves anyway — they are > always referenced with their scope ID for context. So

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-10 Thread Jeremy Visser
Dave Taht said: > the bridged to a vlan fe80:: addresses are all the same. This strikes me > as a problem. You never reference link-local address by themselves anyway — they are always referenced with their scope ID for context. So your addresses are unique after all: fe80::c63d:c7ff:fe8b:6e1a%br

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > BTW, every time I post nowadays, I get moderated on bismark-devel. Do you > think you could grandfather bloat@ emails? > > I've added you to the bismark-devel list and set nomail on. > On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > Fred/all

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Fred Baker
BTW, every time I post nowadays, I get moderated on bismark-devel. Do you think you could grandfather bloat@ emails? On May 9, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > Fred/all > > See > > http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/126 > > which has a ip -6 addr and ifconfig dump > > and see if that "see

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Dave Taht
Fred/all See http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/126 which has a ip -6 addr and ifconfig dump and see if that "seems right" to you. On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On May 9, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > > >

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Fred Baker
On May 9, 2011, at 7:59 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On May 8, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Dave Taht wrote: >> > Is there a standard for renaming fe80:: addresses to represent they are >> > interfacing with different vlans? >> >> well, yes. Link-local addr

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On May 8, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > Is there a standard for renaming fe80:: addresses to represent they are > interfacing with different vlans? > > well, yes. Link-local addresses (FE80::/10) areas you say interpreted only > in

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Roland Bless
Hi Dave, On 09.05.2011 05:26, Dave Taht wrote: > I am modestly stumped as to how to solve this properly. I think it's > been causing problems with ipv6 for a long time, but I could be wrong. > > see http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/126 > > Basically although the underlying interfaces do have un

Re: [Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-09 Thread Fred Baker
On May 8, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Dave Taht wrote: > Is there a standard for renaming fe80:: addresses to represent they are > interfacing with different vlans? well, yes. Link-local addresses (FE80::/10) areas you say interpreted only in the LAN in question. The usual approach is to give the LAN a

[Bloat] ipv6 fe80:: addresses, vlans and bridges... borked?

2011-05-08 Thread Dave Taht
I am modestly stumped as to how to solve this properly. I think it's been causing problems with ipv6 for a long time, but I could be wrong. see http://www.bufferbloat.net/issues/126 Basically although the underlying interfaces do have unique mac addresses (for some reason the underlying eth0 inte