Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
> So there have been no packets dropped and there is no backlog and the > path is clean all the way to the Internet without any congestion in my > network (the path is currently about 5 times bigger than current > bandwidth utilization and is 10GigE all the way from the switch to > which the server

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread George B.
> Philosophical rhetorical question: If the bottlenecks are all outside > your network, where do you expect a queue to build up?  Where are you > storing packets that can't be sent right away? > > I'd think the TCP congestion control algorithms would be the thing to > worry about, rather than qdisc

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread Jim Gettys
On 05/31/2011 03:17 PM, Rick Jones wrote: On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 11:07 -0700, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 21:24, George B. wrote: But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a traffic profile? In ot

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread Rick Jones
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 11:07 -0700, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 21:24, George B. wrote: > > But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over > > subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a > > traffic profile? In other words, I am looking at this

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 21:24, George B. wrote: > But assuming my network, as a server of content is not over > subscribed, what would you suggest as the best qdisc for such a > traffic profile? In other words, I am looking at this from the server > aspect rather than from the client aspect. Phil

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-31 Thread George B.
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Jonathan Morton wrote: > If most of your clients are mobile, you should use a tcp congestion control > algorithm such as Westwood+ which is designed for the task. This is designed > to distinguish between congestion and random packet losses. It is much less > ag

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-30 Thread Dave Taht
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:29 AM, George B. wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM, George B. wrote: > >> > >> Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. > > > > I'd love to see one of those. Can I get on it? > >

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-30 Thread Jonathan Morton
If most of your clients are mobile, you should use a tcp congestion control algorithm such as Westwood+ which is designed for the task. This is designed to distinguish between congestion and random packet losses. It is much less aggressive at filling buffers than the default CUBIC. Your main b

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-30 Thread George B.
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:25 AM, Dave Taht wrote: > > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM, George B. wrote: >> >> Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. > > I'd love to see one of those. Can I get on it? Well, we currently have the potential for some microburst oversub insi

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-30 Thread Dave Taht
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:24 PM, George B. wrote: > Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. I'd love to see one of those. Can I get on it? > I have > 10G to the internet but am only using about 2G of that. This is the > server side of a network talking to millions of c

Re: [Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-30 Thread Neil Davies
FIFO and traffic shaping - every time Neil On 30 May 2011, at 05:24, George B. wrote: Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. I have 10G to the internet but am only using about 2G of that. This is the server side of a network talking to millions of clients. The clients

[Bloat] philosophical question

2011-05-29 Thread George B.
Ok, say I have a network with no over subscription in my net. I have 10G to the internet but am only using about 2G of that. This is the server side of a network talking to millions of clients. The clients in this case are on "lossy" wireless networks where packet loss is not an indication of co