[Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-27 Thread Dave Täht
On 2/26/16 3:23 AM, De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE) wrote: > Hi Wes, > > Just to let you know that we are still working on AQMs that support scalable > (L4S) TCPs. > We could present some of our latest results (if there will be a meeting in > Buenos Aires, otherwise in Berlin?) > > * Performa

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Alan Jenkins
On 27/02/2016, Dave Täht wrote: > > > > On 2/26/16 3:23 AM, De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE) wrote: >> Hi Wes, >> >> Just to let you know that we are still working on AQMs that support >> scalable (L4S) TCPs. >> We could present some of our latest results (if there will be a meeting in >> Buenos Air

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Alan Jenkins writes: > I wouldn't complain that I can't sustain 2056Kbps goodput when my fair > share of the shaped bandwidth is 2000Kbps. The results might be > showing a significant degradation, or it could be a marginal one that > pushes over the boundary (between the 2056k and 1427k encodes)

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Alan Jenkins
On 28/02/16 13:39, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: Alan Jenkins writes: I wouldn't complain that I can't sustain 2056Kbps goodput when my fair share of the shaped bandwidth is 2000Kbps. The results might be showing a significant degradation, or it could be a marginal one that pushes over the bo

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Juliusz Chroboczek
>> Oh, and of course HAS is in itself a hack to work around badly managed >> queues in the network. In a nicely fairness queued world, we could do >> away with HAS entirely and just, y'know, stream things at the desired >> rate... Perhaps I'm missing something -- how do you to pick the right rate

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Alan Jenkins writes: >> Exactly. And note how they just so happen to pick 11 total flows (10 >> competing, one video) to share the bottleneck, putting the per-flow >> throughput just below the rate needed to go up one quality level. What a >> coincidence. At least it shows how difficult it is to

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-28 Thread Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
Juliusz Chroboczek writes: >>> Oh, and of course HAS is in itself a hack to work around badly managed >>> queues in the network. In a nicely fairness queued world, we could do >>> away with HAS entirely and just, y'know, stream things at the desired >>> rate... > > Perhaps I'm missing something -

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-02-29 Thread Dave Taht
On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Alan Jenkins wrote: > On 27/02/2016, Dave Täht wrote: >> On 2/26/16 3:23 AM, De Schepper, Koen (Nokia - BE) wrote: >> I am aware of several unpublished studies. There was also something that >> compared 1-3 HAS flows from several years back from stanford that I've

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-03-02 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
> On Feb 27, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Dave Täht wrote: > > https://reproducingnetworkresearch.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/cs244-14-confused-timid-and-unstable-picking-a-video-streaming-rate-is-hard/ > >> o the results are very poor with a particular popular AQM > > Define "very poor". ? Presuming th

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-03-02 Thread Alan Jenkins
On 02/03/16 18:09, Fred Baker (fred) wrote: On Feb 27, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Dave Täht wrote: https://reproducingnetworkresearch.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/cs244-14-confused-timid-and-unstable-picking-a-video-streaming-rate-is-hard/ o the results are very poor with a particular popular AQM Def

Re: [Bloat] review: Deployment of RITE mechanisms, in use-case trial testbeds report part 1

2016-03-02 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
> On Mar 2, 2016, at 12:53 PM, Alan Jenkins > wrote: > > Google avoid the bursts you describe, using pacing. I have been an advocate of pacing during the first transmission burst (including after an idle period) for quite some time, and also for delay-based algorithms. There would be no need