Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-15 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
@alum.mit.edu Cc: 'Sebastian Moeller'; 'Rodney W. Grimes'; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; 'libreqos'; 'David P. Reed'; 'Rpm'; 'bloat' Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Hi RR, I believe quality GPS chips compensate for relativity in pulse per second which is ne

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-13 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
f necessary:-)) Cheers, RR -Original Message- From: Sebastian Moeller [mailto:moell...@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 12:23 AM To: Dick Roy Cc: Rodney W. Grimes; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. Reed; Rpm; rjmcmahon; bloat

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-13 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
> reference clock is used AND all the above effects are taken into > account, and good luck with that! J > > In conclusion, if anyone tells you that clock synchronization in > communication networks is simple ("Just use GPS!"), you should feel > free to chuckle (under

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-13 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of >Robert McMahon via Starlink >Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 9:50 AM >To: Sebastian Moeller >Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David >P. Reed; Rpm; bloat >Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers See

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
a Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David >P. Reed; Rpm; bloat >Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA > > > >Hi Sebastien, > >You make a good point. What I did was issue a warning if the tool found it >was being CP

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
iginal Message- From: Sebastian Moeller [mailto:moell...@gmx.de] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2023 12:23 AM To: Dick Roy Cc: Rodney W. Grimes; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. Reed; Rpm; rjmcmahon; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Hi RR

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
t; > >In conclusion, if anyone tells you that clock synchronization in >communication networks is simple ("Just use GPS!"), you should feel free to >chuckle (under your breath if necessary:-)) > > > >Cheers, > > > >RR > > > > > >

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
To: Sebastian Moeller Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. Reed; Rpm; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Hi Sebastien, You make a good point. What I did was issue a warning if the tool found it was being CPU limited

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
nk [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On >> Behalf Of Sebastian Moeller via Starlink >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 12:01 PM >> To: Rodney W. Grimes >> Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; >> David P. Reed; Rpm; rjmcmaho

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
> > -Original Message- > From: Starlink [mailto:starlink-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of Sebastian Moeller via Starlink > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 12:01 PM > To: Rodney W. Grimes > Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforec

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
sday, January 11, 2023 12:01 PM To: Rodney W. Grimes Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. Reed; Rpm; rjmcmahon; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Hi Rodney, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 19:32, Rodney W. Grimes

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Robert McMahon via Bloat
Hi Sebastien, ⁣You make a good point. What I did was issue a warning if the tool found it was being CPU limited vs i/o limited. This indicates the i/o test likely is inaccurate from an i/o perspective, and the results are suspect. It does this crudely by comparing the cpu thread doing stats

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Grimes > Cc: Dave Taht via Starlink; mike.reyno...@netforecast.com; libreqos; David P. > Reed; Rpm; rjmcmahon; bloat > Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA > > Hi Rodney, > > > > > > On Jan 11, 2023, at 19:32, Rodney W. Gr

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-12 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bob, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 21:09, rjmcmahon wrote: > > Iperf 2 is designed to measure network i/o. Note: It doesn't have to move > large amounts of data. It can support data profiles that don't drive TCP's > CCA as an example. > > Two things I've been asked for and avoided: > > 1)

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-11 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
; rjmcmahon; bloat Subject: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA Hi Rodney, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 19:32, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Hello, > > Yall can call me crazy if you want.. but... see below [RWG] >> Hi Bib, >>

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-11 Thread rjmcmahon via Bloat
Iperf 2 is designed to measure network i/o. Note: It doesn't have to move large amounts of data. It can support data profiles that don't drive TCP's CCA as an example. Two things I've been asked for and avoided: 1) Integrate clock sync into iperf's test traffic 2) Measure and output CPU

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-11 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Rodney, > On Jan 11, 2023, at 19:32, Rodney W. Grimes > wrote: > > Hello, > > Yall can call me crazy if you want.. but... see below [RWG] >> Hi Bib, >> >> >>> On Jan 9, 2023, at 20:13, rjmcmahon via Starlink >>> wrote: >>> >>> My biggest barrier is the lack of clock sync by

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-09 Thread Dick Roy via Bloat
: Re: [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA The write to read latencies (OWD) are on the server side in CLT form. Use --histograms on the server side to enable them. Your client side sampled TCP RTT is 6ms with less than a 1 ms of variance (or sqrt of variance

Re: [Bloat] [Starlink] [Rpm] Researchers Seeking Probe Volunteers in USA

2023-01-09 Thread Sebastian Moeller via Bloat
Hi Bib, > On Jan 9, 2023, at 20:13, rjmcmahon via Starlink > wrote: > > My biggest barrier is the lack of clock sync by the devices, i.e. very > limited support for PTP in data centers and in end devices. This limits the > ability to measure one way delays (OWD) and most assume that OWD is