Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-14 Thread Tim King
Stephen A. Jarjoura wrote: ... now work in an almost totally Win2k/2k3 environment. In this setting, Perl isn't even considered a real programming language. It's referred to as scripting as opposed to programming, and while the developers program in ASP.NET, I only script in Perl. Interesting. But

RE: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-12 Thread Dan Collis Puro
: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al. The prospect of wading through tons of OO PHP code in order to customize a CMS is disheartening. Having to learn Python just to use some of the great Python based CMS's is even more depressing. I just wanted an easy to use, easy to set-up and install, easy to theme

RE: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-12 Thread Sean Quinlan
that's broken. -DJCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen A. Jarjoura Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:50 PM To: boston-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al. The prospect of wading through tons

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-12 Thread Tom Metro
Stephen A. Jarjoura wrote: In this setting, Perl isn't even considered a real programming language. It's referred to as scripting as opposed to programming... I had thought we had gotten rid of that false impression, but I guess not. I was surprised a month ago when I was talking with one of the

[Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-11 Thread Stephen A. Jarjoura
Hey, I was on vacation for the last two weeks and get back to find more mail on the Boston.PM list then it's generated in the last year! Wholey Moley! I was a good monger though, and read all of it ... today. Compressing the entire debate and all of the side threads, and the parody play, all

RE: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al.

2005-03-11 Thread Andres Monroy-Hernandez
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen A. Jarjoura Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 11:50 PM To: boston-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: [Boston.pm] advocacy, et al. The prospect of wading through tons of OO PHP code in order to customize a CMS is disheartening. Having to learn Python just to use some

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-03-01 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
See, now we're talking Alex Brelsfoard wrote: What about a website advertising scheme? Make a really neat/interesting/technological website based out of Perl and then see if we could get some companies to advertsie it (such as O'Reilly, Apache, and Google)? Why make something that

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-03-01 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
When it comes to large companies, that real estate becomes valuable territory and they're not going to donate it for free. The technology you use is an internal decision. It has no relevance to the customer. What is the business case for putting it out there? If you're going to ruin your

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-03-01 Thread Alex Brelsfoard
Strictly speaking I don't think advertisement did much for Java. Sure, you see lots of ads for Java related products now, which maintains a high visibility for Java, but they exist because the Java market exists. Sure it did. Again, we're talking more about managers and boss types. When a

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-02-28 Thread Tom Metro
Sean Quinlan wrote: I also strongly concur with brian_d_foy's goal of getting more people (including myself ;) publishing well written articles about Perl. I think getting more well-written technical articles, that just happen to use Perl, into general computing periodical is a great, unobtrusive

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-02-28 Thread Ben Tilly
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 16:04:34 -0500, Tom Metro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Quinlan wrote: [...] If Amazon, Yahoo, Ticketmaster, etc. are already using Perl in a big way, then why not put effort into making that more visible? One way is through a silly button campaign. Built with Perl,

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-02-28 Thread Tom Metro
Ben Tilly wrote: ...the next step would be getting the big name users of Perl to put [buttons] on their sites. This step is easier said than done. Absolutely. I thought of the reasons you list, but the counter argument is that a company would promote their use of Perl for the same reasons they

Re: [Boston.pm] advocacy

2005-02-28 Thread Tom Metro
John Tsangaris wrote: Is a group needed specifically for the promotion of perl? Might not be a bad idea. It could either be a sub-group of the Perl Foundation, or mirror it, with the focus on advocacy. But I don't think advertising would be an efficient way to spend the money. Instead spend it