RE: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread Hanes, Philipp
I think the key (to suck people in) is to make the basic things easy, perhaps even intuitive (although I'm not fond of using that word for a whole lot of things), and hard things possible, but perhaps you have to work for them. The most frustrating thing for someone who wants to get real,

Re: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread Daniel M. Lipton
.--- | Chris Devers wrote: | | The trick is to be complex, yet accessible. | `--- To enjoy emacs without investing any time, talk to some emacs users you know. Ask them about their text editing habits. When you find one that closely resembles yours, ask to borrow their .emacs. It makes emacs

Re: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread John Saylor
hi ( 03.07.09 22:20 -0400 ) Chris Devers: > I wish I could think of better metaphors for this, because intuitively > it seems clear to me that there are plenty of examples of things that > are very complex and yet still not necessarily challenging. this seems too one dimentional- i think most

RE: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread Tolkin, Steve
As a long time emacs user I must agree with the positions we have all been agreeing with: * it has a long learning curve * it has a lot of power So I have a lot invested in it, and want to ensure emacs continues to survive, nay thrive. Unfortunately I think its rate of adoption is continually

Re: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread darren chamberlain
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * Erik Price [2003-07-10 08:24]: > On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 10:20 PM, Chris Devers wrote: > > I wish I could think of better metaphors for this, because > > intuitively it seems clear to me that there are plenty of examples > > of things that

Re: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread Erik Price
On Wednesday, July 9, 2003, at 10:20 PM, Chris Devers wrote: I wish I could think of better metaphors for this, because intuitively it seems clear to me that there are plenty of examples of things that are very complex and yet still not necessarily challenging. Python? ]} dodges barrage of

Re: [Boston.pm] emacs discussion

2003-07-10 Thread William Goedicke
Dear Chris - > "Chris" == Chris Devers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Chris> The trick is to be complex, yet accessible. Chris> Emacs has complexity nailed, but isn't accessible to most Chris> people. Point taken. I don't mean to troll, but I'm curious if there really are