Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Richard Baker
Gary said: Now if Russia, China, England and France got together with us could we make Israel, Iran, Pakistan, India, and North Korea give up their bombs? That would be Britain or the United Kingdom. England doesn't have any kind of overall political authority that could make such a decision.

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread The Fool
-- From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:22 PM 6/14/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote: Simple. We send in the stealth Bombers / Fighters and bomb every single suspected nuclear site with daisy cutters. It's the right thing to do. Shrub is too cowardly and ignorant to the right thing. And you

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote: I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home. Uh what do you think the world is doing

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:29:31 -0230, Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly if a coalition said to pack up the reactor and go home. Though the Fool would be correct in saying that bombing all of the suspected sites is

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 02:55:49 -0500, The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:22 PM 6/14/2004 -0500 The Fool wrote: Simple. We send in the stealth Bombers / Fighters and bomb every single suspected nuclear site with daisy cutters. It's the right thing

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:27:17 -0500, Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote: I tend to agree with Gary on this one, Iran would back away rather quickly if a coalition said to

Re: To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

2004-06-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 15 Jun 2004, at 1:41 am, Julia Thompson wrote: Gary Denton wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:24:06 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Denton wrote: Hugo nominees: 1972: To Your Scattered Bodies Go by Philip José Farmer The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. Le Guin Dragonquest by Anne

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 10:55 PM 6/14/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: I don't think you said that right. I am unaware of any Constitutional provision against exclusionary and offensive speech on federal lands. JDG - Something about defending your right to say it, Maru . Come on John, you know that one of

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and delusions of grandeur? I suggest that you tell a bunch of New York City widows just how all-powerful the United

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread David Hobby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tytlal designed test OK... I'm thinking of using this as a test at the Rousit Uplift Ceremony: ... There are three cream pies on a table. Five meters away is another table. Both tables have stacks of small towls, smaller than a pie. Anytime a towl is used, another one

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2004 5:28:42 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's an original answer. You have an infinite supply of towels. So fill the space between the tables with enough towels to make a bridge from one table to the other. Then slowly push all three

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 07:36:35 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and delusions of grandeur? I suggest that

Re: To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 12:27:33 +0100, William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Jun 2004, at 1:41 am, Julia Thompson wrote: Gary Denton wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:24:06 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary Denton wrote: Hugo nominees: 1972: To Your

Re: To Your Scattered Plotlines Go

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:02 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus I married a guy who's read only 1 Le Guin novel, and that one is it, and he likes it so much that he doesn't want to read any more Le Guin for fear of disappointment. I keep telling him he really ought to

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Request for Proposals On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:01:50 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 11:29 PM 6/14/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 00:23:33 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome to the Club, Gary I can definitely sympathize with how it feels to think that there may be terrorists on your doorstep - say targetting your train into work or the very large Train Station next door to your

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:10:09 -0500, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Other than giving some people twitchy fingers and delusions of grandeur what does having no enemy in the world being one tenth as strong as us done? It has allowed us to be a lot firmer with right wing

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread Bryon Daly
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, I've already figured out that the towels catch fire if they touch the metal rims. Guess I'll have to add that they ignite if they hit the floor. So it'll be better if I add a thin rubber ring to the edge of the rim, and they'll get a shock if they touch any part of the

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2004 10:05:56 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe I'm missing the rule against it, but couldn't they just stack the 3 pies on top of each other and carry them over that way? It'd be a bit messy with the casters, but less so than the

Re: Requests for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Request for Proposals On Tue, 15 Jun 2004 11:10:09 -0500, Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Other than giving some

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread Julia Thompson
JDG wrote: At 05:12 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: Should be What has having no enemy in the world one-tenth as strong militarily done for us, except to give some people twitchy fingers and delusions of grandeur? I suggest that you tell a bunch of New York City widows just how

From 79% to 3% of my free email space used...

2004-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
...and I didn't have to do a thing! Yahoo just upgraded my account from 4-100MB storage. Wonder if they're competing with Gmail (is that correct?) recently launched. Oh, dear...you know that phrase about 'expanding to fill the space available?' - I hope I'll have more sense than to let things

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread iaamoac
Slate's most excellent Dahlia Lithwick had a great article yesterday explaining why in fact that US Supreme Court decision was not ducking the issue, but in fact made the correct decision: http://slate.msn.com/id/2102381/ Even if you believe the words

Hamid Karzai on Poppies in Afghanistan

2004-06-15 Thread iaamoac
. Wire, June 15). *** http://www.unwire.org/UNWire/20040615/449_24907.asp JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

[Listref] Cicadas and Venus transit

2004-06-15 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://science.nasa.gov/spaceweather/venustransit/gallery_08jun04_page9.htm http://makeashorterlink.com/?X17162398 Every 17 years, a dozen states from Delaware to Illinois are treated to a springtime emergence of the Brood X (Magicicada septendecim) periodical cicadas. The inch-and-one-half,

RE: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Gary Denton wrote I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never think about terrorists attacking it. Some people just seem much more concerned with their own safety, more willing to trade liberties for safety. Just out of curiosity, do you have children?

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gary Nunn wrote: Since the attacks on Sept 11, I have found consistently, that I am infinitely more fearful of my children's safety than I am of my own. Would I give up some liberties to ensure their safety? Absolutely. Do you mean absolutely yes or absolutely no? serious I can think of

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional Slate's most excellent Dahlia Lithwick had a great article yesterday explaining why in fact that US Supreme

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 06:57:18PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Would I give up some liberties to ensure their safety? Absolutely. But you do not have the right to give up OTHERS liberties for your (or your children's) sake. Other's liberties are not yours to give up. That's like saying you would

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism too close to home... Gary Denton wrote I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never think

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism too close to home... Gary Denton wrote I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never think

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread William T Goodall
On 16 Jun 2004, at 1:26 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: iaamoac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional Slate's most excellent Dahlia Lithwick had a great article

Re: Request for Proposals

2004-06-15 Thread The Fool
, and a war to end al wars would be witnessed by a generation that has seen no great conflict! Iran is _*Already*_ Massing troops on the Iraq border for just that: According to GOP Moonie Propagandist Newspaper / UPI: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040615-055649-4707r.htm Iran massing

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread David Hobby
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Here's an original answer. You have an infinite supply of towels. So fill the space between the tables with enough towels to make a bridge from one table to the other. Then slowly push all three pies at once along the bridge. ---David ... Ok, I've already figured

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Terrorism too close to home... Would I give up some liberties to ensure their safety? Absolutely. Not me. I will

RE: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
Erik wrote I want my liberties. Don't you go giving them away without my permission. Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ OK, I know better than to post a non-specific remark like what I wrote originally to this list. The question of giving up liberties for safety is much like

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: RE: Terrorism too close to home... Conscientia non oboedientia honor est. Honor is conscience, not obedience. Actually, honor is not

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 10:50:50PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Would I pay all the money in a bank to ransom my children or sacrifice someone else to save my children from imminent death? Yes I would. No you would not. IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY TO GIVE AWAY. -- Erik Reuter

RE: From 79% to 3% of my free email space used...

2004-06-15 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...and I didn't have to do a thing! Yahoo just upgraded my account from 4-100MB storage. Wonder if they're competing with Gmail (is that correct?) recently launched. I hope hotmail feels the heat soon and does the same. This Zoot account fills to 100%

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2004 7:45:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway, a closer reading shows that the problem is impossible: OK There are three cream pies on a table. ... If any part of --the actual cream of the-- pie touches either table or the ground

RE: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Gary Nunn
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 10:50:50PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Would I pay all the money in a bank to ransom my children or sacrifice someone else to save my children from imminent death? Yes I would. Erik wrote No you would not. IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY TO GIVE AWAY. Just a guess,

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Erik Reuter
On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:42:48PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 10:50:50PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Would I pay all the money in a bank to ransom my children or sacrifice someone else to save my children from imminent death? Yes I would. Erik wrote No

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread Julia Thompson
Gary Nunn wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 10:50:50PM -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: Would I pay all the money in a bank to ransom my children or sacrifice someone else to save my children from imminent death? Yes I would. Erik wrote No you would not. IT IS NOT YOUR MONEY TO GIVE

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: Come on John, you know that one of the reasons for the bill of rights, perhaps the preeminent reason, was to protect people that might otherwise be excluded by the majority. That's what separation of church and state is all about. But aren't you the first person to also mention that

Re: Tytlal designed test at an Uplift Ceremony

2004-06-15 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:00:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Key lime every mountain. IGH! You, sir, need to be punished for that one! Did you here the ISIRTA one where the unused southern german flour mills were going to be used as kennels? The

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
William wrote: If this was the only similar case in the pipeline then fair enough. But with such an egregious violation that seems surprising. Again, if it was the only such case, fair enough. But otherwise why pick this one which can be eliminated on a technicality? Presumably any other similar

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't figure at all in the decision, their involvement is completely,

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the

Re: Hannity Again

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 11:45 PM 6/12/2004 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: JDG wrote: At 11:02 AM 6/12/2004 -0500 Robert Seeberger wrote: --===1385683643== Another poll on Hannity's site was poked this week. I'm glad to see that the list conversation persisted at a high level while I was gone.

Re: Partisan Humor

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 10:40 PM 6/5/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Get a grip, John, it's just a dumb joke. Yes, but I think that it is worth noting that jokes can tell a lot about ones attitude.Personally, when I am around friends of mixed political persuasions, I generally avoid partisan jokes. I'll freely

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 09:56 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Another reason is that an awful lot of Americans just don't get separation of church and state and are aghast at the idea that the government shouldn't be able to endorse religion. In large part that probably has to do with the fact that the

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
JDG wrote: At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't figure at all in the decision, their involvement is

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 12:09 AM 6/16/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: The VFW often burns flags John. :-) You caught me! Still, even if the VFW were unceremoniously burning flags in Mojave, I think that they'd probably have a lot more support on Brin-L than they have received for memorializing our First World War

Re: Terrorism too close to home...

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 11:17 AM 6/15/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: I don't know, I am a couple miles from a petrochemical plant and never think about terrorists attacking it. Then again, you've probably never watched an airplane crash into an office building ten miles away from your present location on TV, and then

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread JDG
At 10:16 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: JDG wrote: At 09:36 PM 6/15/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: Because it is on U.S. Government property it isn't the VFW's speech that is in question. Because it is on U.S. government property is the U.S. Government's speech. The VFW doesn't

Re: Memorial Ruled Unconstitutional

2004-06-15 Thread Doug Pensinger
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:17:32 -0400, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:09 AM 6/16/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: The VFW often burns flags John. :-) You caught me! Still, even if the VFW were unceremoniously burning flags in Mojave, I think that they'd probably have a lot more support on Brin-L