Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
I linked y'all to the wrong page. > http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/2675 is certainly interesting and relevant. But the "balance" page that has earned ire from liberals is: http://www.davidbrin.com/progressparadoxarticle.html There is another explanation for how one can despise the pre

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Bryon Daly
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:08:39 -0700 (PDT), David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In many places, e.g. > http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/2675 > I have earned the ire of liberals for pillorying them > on their own insipid errors and outrageously > patronizing smugness. If I do not seem t

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
I don't have time for this. A balanced person is capable of recognizing that one of our political parties stands for nothing but aristocratic theft. And now... for utter Manchurian Candidate treason in obedience to an enemy kingdom. Balance does not mean blindness. In many places, e.g. http://w

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:02 PM 9/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >... But the [Afghanistan] war plan was utterly and completely >Clinton's already in place and ready to go. This >undisputable fact would be open knowledge if it >weren't desperately urgent for the monsters to >suppress it. > >Feh. > >I'm balanced & I

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
JDG > O.k., so "balance" as accusing the Republicans of > haivng accomplished not > one meaningful thing during the 20th Century, and of > claiming that the > Democrats have been responsible for essentially > every positive American > development during the 20th Century? No, it consists of CHALLEN

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 08:27 PM 9/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >> Is there really any question as to what the results >> would look like? >> >> Is there another definition of what "balance" should >> look like I should be >> aware of? > >It is the same one I have had to repeat to you >relentlessly. O.k., so "ba

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 14, 2004, at 8:27 PM, David Brin wrote: Arnold is trying to resurrect a true and vibrant conservatism, adopting lessons learned by the 20th Century. California to the rescue, once again. In the run up to Debacle 2000 I was one of the independents hoping assiduously that McCain would get th

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes - Gengis Khan

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
--- Alberto wrote: > > Subsequent births should have increased the > appearance > > of those traits with variation around new > averages... > > including some individuals at the wings who were > more > > Genghiz than Genghiz ever was. > > > Not if GKism was recessive :-) All true... tho remembe

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
> Is there really any question as to what the results > would look like? > > Is there another definition of what "balance" should > look like I should be > aware of? It is the same one I have had to repeat to you relentlessly. I have proved that I am no one thing. Having RECENTLY given a key

More Bush doc fraud news

2004-09-14 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.drudgereport.com/bushtang.htm TEXAS GUARD SECRETARY SURFACES: SAYS CBS DOCS 'FORGERIES', BUT STANDS BY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST BUSH The DRUDGE REPORT has found Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's former secretary who claims that the Texas Air National Guard documents offered by CBS in its 60 MINUT

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "David Brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes. > Oh, and daddy's friends gave W his only real job. > Ever. > > They bought him a baseball te

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes - Gengis Khan

2004-09-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
David Brin wrote: > >> the chance > > of two humans being genetically equal in a > > population of 100 Giga people > > would be 75% of a millionth! [namely: (1/6)^22 * > > 100e6 ] [here I should have written (1/6)^23 not (1/6)^22 - sorry] > I agree that there's almost no chance that GK would be >

Justice, was Re: KEP part 4 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
OK, lets go back to the previous paragraph. You stated that you wanted every crime against humans punished. Would this include jail? Would the standard for conviction be "beyond reasonable doubt" or "without a doubt." The standard would be according to the spirit of the law (but then you r

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread JDG
At 04:10 PM 9/14/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >Oh... before you get the feeling that I hate all >Bushes the same... well, you could not be more wrong. >I am balanced. Anyone who cares to check the archives will quickly be able to assess your comments on Republicans and Democrats, and assess each

Re: Polls

2004-09-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert Seeberger wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: From The Century Foundation: And you might have had the good grace to add an L3 to that subjectline. :o) Sonja GCU: Friendly reminder of our etiquette guidelines Sorry, that is my most

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
Oh... before you get the feeling that I hate all Bushes the same... well, you could not be more wrong. I am balanced. While Sr. was a devoted servant of 2,000 frat brothers and 200 Saudi sheiks, he at least has saving graces. Showing devolution in action, let's compare dad & son. (What a differe

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dr. Brin, surely you can't be serious. Are you on record in favor of conquering Iraq in 1991? > Then someone else said: > That was not obvious. What isn't always clearly > defined was the price Bush > I payed for the international cooperation with

Re: Scouted: Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities

2004-09-14 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Gary Nunn wrote: > > I ran across this article from a few months ago and thought that it was > interesting. Assuming that it is true, it is scary that the US > Government would even briefly consider such a plan. As much as I > don't want to believe in conspiracies, it makes one wonder abo

Re: KEP part 3 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Dan M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: Re: KEP part 3 L3 > Now, there was an obvious hate crime in East Texas a > few years back: in Jared I think...but I could be mistake

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "iaamoac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The latter - perpetrated b

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread iaamoac
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The latter - perpetrated by the exact same moronic > fools WHO LEFT SADDAM IN POWER IN 91 (Does anyone need > a scintilla more proof of their low IQ?) Dr. Brin, surely you can't be serious. Are you on record in favor of conquering

Re: KEP part 3 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: KEP part 3 L3 > > > "Dan M." wrote: > > > >> Now, there was an obvious hate crime in East T

Re: KEP part 3 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: Re: KEP part 3 L3 > "Dan M." wrote: > >> Now, there was an obvious hate crime in East Texas a > > few years back: in Jared I

Re: Topics of interest.

2004-09-14 Thread Keith Henson
At 09:27 AM 14/09/04 -0400, you wrote: At 04:15 PM 13/09/04 -0700, David Brin wrote: snip There is a fellow - a member of the science fiction community - who some of you might want to read about. He's in Canada right now, fighting extradition back to the US for offending a certain offshoot relig

Re: KEP part 4 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Dan M.
>Fortunately over the years I've > gotten better at recognizing what is worth responding to and what is a > mere waste of time and energy. I do find that other nationalities are > much more gracious in discussing criticism of their countries. I'm > merely comparing what happens now to what previou

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 14, 2004, at 4:54 AM, JDG wrote: At 08:51 PM 9/13/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: Consider. JDG implies that to agree with anything said by another person makes you in agreement with EVERYTHING they say. No Dr. Brin, I imply no such thing. [...] Guess what, Dr. Brin - [...] Ridiculous comments

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-09-14 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Sep 14, 2004, at 12:47 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 14 Sep 2004, at 2:57 am, Warren Ockrassa wrote: If obesity is genetic, why are so many American dogs fat too? It doesn't bear thinking about, does it? Eww. . . . . . . . . . Though it does provide a new take on "doggy style". -- Wt

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread David Brin
1) You dare to talk to me about "utter > blindness of the "incredible severity of hatred" > that liberals express > towards (neo)-conservatives" Excuse me, but the bilious and unmerited firestorm of hatred and vitumen toward Bill Clinton started it, my man. Before that, there had been nothi

Re: KEP part 3 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Julia Thompson
"Dan M." wrote: > That's a true statement, but it is not one that has to do with the reality > in Houston. The overwhelming majority of killings of blacks do not fit the > classic hate crime MO. Now, there was an obvious hate crime in East Texas a > few years back: in Jared I think...but I could

Re: KEP part 3 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Dan M.
One of the things I was thinking about in this discussion is that you are focused on the original event and I am focused on the system. Let me give an example; the rape and mutilation of a young girl by, say, a 35 year old man, is a horrid crime; but it is not, necessarily, a reflection of the gen

More on AIDS

2004-09-14 Thread iaamoac
The Bush administration's global AIDS plan has helped put at least 25,000 people on antiretroviral therapy since it began disbursing money in February to organizations and governments in 15 targeted countries. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18902-2004Sep13.html JDG - A Grade

Re: Topics of interest.

2004-09-14 Thread Keith Henson
At 04:15 PM 13/09/04 -0700, David Brin wrote: snip There is a fellow - a member of the science fiction community - who some of you might want to read about. He's in Canada right now, fighting extradition back to the US for offending a certain offshoot religious movement that (ironically) also a

Re: Fwd: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread Keith Henson
At 12:05 AM 14/09/04 -0400, you wrote: Here's a thought: Ghengiz Khan's genes appear in 8% of modern Chinese population - that's an amazing new finding indicating how systematically and effectively he used his harem. Probably more effectively than any other ruler. I don't think it was the Chine

Re: Brin: some thoughts and quotes.

2004-09-14 Thread JDG
At 08:51 PM 9/13/2004 -0700 David Brin wrote: >Consider. JDG implies that to agree with anything >said by another person makes you in agreement with >EVERYTHING they say. No Dr. Brin, I imply no such thing. For example, I do not imply that by quoting Pat Buchanan, you now share Pat Buchanan's p

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-09-14 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 Sep 2004, at 2:57 am, Warren Ockrassa wrote: If obesity is genetic, why are so many American dogs fat too? It doesn't bear thinking about, does it? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ "A bad thing done for