low bandwidth, personal exchanges

2005-11-30 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Low bandwidth and impersonal exchanges are not the same. Like some people -- but very definitately not everyone -- I thrive on low bandwidth, personal exchanges. Edward Hugh, who is not on the Brin mailing list, but to whom I have been sending my messages regarding Douglass North's new book, "Und

Weekly Chat Reminder

2005-11-30 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, "The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Re: Brin: AIs & Nanos... dangerous children?

2005-11-30 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:32 PM Tuesday 11/29/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 26, 2005, at 11:51 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Nov 26, 2005, at 9:47 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:05 PM, David Brin wrote: Two very strong points. Though please remember there are some honest and intelligent Rep

An armed society ...

2005-11-30 Thread Robert J. Chassell
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein, _Beyond the Horizon_, 1942 What about the inversion of that statement? "An armed society is an impolite society. It is easy to shoot someone yo

Re: Bitter Fruit

2005-11-30 Thread Gary Denton
On 11/29/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So, if I understand your point correctly, Bush went to war so that a > few > > > key industries could make about 10 billion per year in profit for a > couple > > > of years? He was not only wrong, but happily sacrificed thousands of > > > l

Re: Bitter Fruit - America's Secret Shame

2005-11-30 Thread Alex Gogan
I was watching a program late last night it was on Channel 4 (uk) called Dispatches. It was entitled AMERICA'S SECRET SHAME http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/A/americas_secret_shame/index.html It was very sad, but also a eye opener in some areas as well, on how the US government catagoris

Re: Bitter Fruit - America's Secret Shame

2005-11-30 Thread Alex Gogan
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:07:50 + Alex Gogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was watching a program late last night it was on Channel 4 (uk) called > Dispatches. It was entitled AMERICA'S SECRET SHAME > > http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/A/americas_secret_shame/index.html > > It was very

Re: An armed society ...

2005-11-30 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Robert J. Chassell wrote: "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." -- Robert A. Heinlein, _Beyond the Horizon_, 1942 I am not much of a sci-fi fan, and I suspect that there may be one

Re: Brin: AIs & Nanos... dangerous children?

2005-11-30 Thread Dave Land
On Nov 30, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: The only problem with that suggestion is that it's people who feel like you do who believe in gun control, while it's the conservatives and the Christians who have all the firearms . . . :P Not all Christians are fundamentalists. They're

Re: Bitter Fruit - America's Secret Shame

2005-11-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On 11/30/05, Alex Gogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... up to 80 per cent of Iraq veterans are suffering from severe > postâ€_traumatic stress symptoms and levels of drug and alcohol abuse are > soaring. That number sounds awfully high... but the figures I've seen show twice the rate of PTSD a

Re: Bitter Fruit - America's Secret Shame

2005-11-30 Thread Alex Gogan
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:24:14 -0800 Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One of the > ways I've chosen to respond to Wes' death is to try to encourage and lead > appropriate public memorials. As tempting as it is to resent, blame, etc., > with each day I more firmly reject that path. I don't

Re: An armed society ...

2005-11-30 Thread Alex Gogan
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:14:34 -0800 Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > > > "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one > > may have to back up his acts with his life." > > -- Robert A. Heinlein, _Beyond t

Re: Brin: (pause) Californians fight back against Diebold!

2005-11-30 Thread The Fool
> From: David Brin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > And posting comments in 'blogger' is...difficult. > > 'Blogger' > > is...Complete Garbage. > > Sorry about that.I merely find it irksome. > > May I repost your comment? > Here are some links to posts that were made to this list about diebold/vot

Re: Bitter Fruit - America's Secret Shame

2005-11-30 Thread Nick Arnett
On 11/30/05, Alex Gogan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I apologise sometimes I actually do forget that almost every family has > been touched in the US my this in some sense or other. So I apologise for > not having a rider message on top. Wes was your nephew?? Correct -- my niece's husband. A

Re: An armed society ...

2005-11-30 Thread Robert Seeberger
Dave Land wrote: > On Nov 30, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Robert J. Chassell wrote: > >> "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when >> one >> may have to back up his acts with his life." >> -- Robert A. Heinlein, _Beyond the Horizon_, 1942 > > I am not much of a sci-fi fan, and

Re: Bitter Fruit

2005-11-30 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Bitter Fruit On 11/29/05, Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So, if I understand your point correctly, Bush went to war so that a >

The Ultimate in Christmas lights

2005-11-30 Thread Robert G. Seeberger
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/45390/wizards_of_winter/ This is awesome! This guy has his Christmas lights controlled by computer and set to music..TrasSiberianOrchestra's Wizards Of Winter. He also broadcasts the music over low power FM so it can be heard on car radios for about a block.

Dick Cheney: War Criminal?

2005-11-30 Thread Dave Land
Folks, Today's The Guardian (UK) features an article that expands on an astonishing excerpt from a BBC Today interview with Lawrence Wilkerson, who was Colin Powell's Chief of Staff when Powell served as Secretary of State. I first heard Wilkerson's amazing moment of candor on NPR yesterd

Re: Brin: (pause) Californians fight back against Diebold!

2005-11-30 Thread Dave Land
Fool, David, Intriguing that this comes up just as four opposition parties pull out of elections in Venezuela, citing fears that electronic voting machines could be used to tip the election in favor of Hugo Chavez and that voters' identities could be matched back to their votes. Dave ___

Re: The Ultimate in Christmas lights

2005-11-30 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:50 PM Wednesday 11/30/2005, Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/45390/wizards_of_winter/ This is awesome! This guy has his Christmas lights controlled by computer and set to music..TrasSiberianOrchestra's Wizards Of Winter. He also broadcasts the music over low po